Template talk:Unsigned

Super-script?

Is there a reason that this is super-scripted? After looking around, the only thing that I see it do is mess up line spacing. I think it would be best to just use small tags instead. Compare the following (taken from here):

this only happened once i dont know why but when i went into agamirs house down to the basement after the update apears i dont think i took the book i left and talked to agamir he said i can join him i swear to god i can either join or fight him when i confront him about stealing from the dead as for thorin when i talk i can either go the normal way or black mail him HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE AND I DONT THINK IT HAPPENED TO ANY OF YOU ? — Unsigned comment by Mark iii (talk • contribs) That's not a possible outcome for this quest, you must kill Agarmir for the quest to advance, you cannot join him. Ddraiggoch06 10:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC) i know but am not lieing i saw it happen and only once its like right after i went inrto his basement and the update came i forgot the book and went out usualy when this happens he denies it but that one time he said i can either tell on him or join him not by diging graves but like sell stuff and i can black mail thorinier myabe its a glitch maybe a a bug or even a mod causethats when i started trying out mods for the game but i didnt find any mod like that and even till now it wont repeat itself — Unsigned comment by 41.252.253.218 (talk)

this only happened once i dont know why but when i went into agamirs house down to the basement after the update apears i dont think i took the book i left and talked to agamir he said i can join him i swear to god i can either join or fight him when i confront him about stealing from the dead as for thorin when i talk i can either go the normal way or black mail him HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE AND I DONT THINK IT HAPPENED TO ANY OF YOU ?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark iii (talk • contribs) That's not a possible outcome for this quest, you must kill Agarmir for the quest to advance, you cannot join him. Ddraiggoch06 10:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC) i know but am not lieing i saw it happen and only once its like right after i went inrto his basement and the update came i forgot the book and went out usualy when this happens he denies it but that one time he said i can either tell on him or join him not by diging graves but like sell stuff and i can black mail thorinier myabe its a glitch maybe a a bug or even a mod causethats when i started trying out mods for the game but i didnt find any mod like that and even till now it wont repeat itself—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.252.253.218 (talk • contribs).

This is just a small matter, but I have been lightly thinking about it recently. Thoughts? –Elliot ^talk 06:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I like the second version better. It's not a priority by any means (and should definitely not happen at the same time as any NPC Summary changes!), but I wouldn't be opposed to changing it. –Eshe^talk 02:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

May 24 Update

Just following up on Elliot's recent removal of the superscripting: when I re-did the template, I took GK's example from this discussion as a base, so after a fashion, there was discussion, but only in the sense that there was tacit approval. Personally, I think it looks better without, but if there's a wide preference for the superscripting, the line spacing can be fixed using the same method I have for the "Talk" in my signature (like this). It's a little more complex than simple <sup> tags, but it works. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 19:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

My 2p is that I prefer the non-superscript version. rpeh •T•C•E• 23:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Recent change

I just changed the template to take into account IP addresses when creating the links, e.g. {{#ifeq:{{#expr:{{#explode:{{{1}}}|.|0}} > 0}}|1. Basically, it takes any numbers before the first (if any) "." and basically runs those through the > 0 expression. If a username pops up as the parameter, it will result in "0" within the equation, which tells the template it is a username. Even if the username has a number in the beginning, it still will be seen as a username. The only way there can be an error is if there is a username with a period in it following numbers. Since that is a slim to none chance, I went ahead and made the change. Elliot (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Unsigned that will take date/IP

I see Wikipedia has an unsigned2 that is just using their unsigned template with the parameters reversed, although you have to use subst on it. Anyone mind if that's added here, or can the current one do stuff like evaluate the parameters and figure out what type it is based on what's in it? It'd make pasting the info from the history page easier. Or is there a setting to have the history page flip its order? -Vardis 01:05, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Since this template is used every talk page ever created (...) it would be unwise to make that change. There possibly could be a way (there is) to automagically switch them around via the template, but I think it would just be best to switch them yourself while you sign the unsigned post because it would be too complex. elliot (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

You could have a simple parameter called switch that reverses the order, via an #ifeq. I'll try out a few tests in my sandbox and see if I can get this working. ?• JA^Talk 01:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with elliot in regards to modifying this template. This could possibly be made to evaluate parameters, but the more complex we make it, the greater the chance of failure. Also, given how often this is used on a page, it might be better to keep it simple. The switch parameter could also work, but probably adds as much typing as if you'd just switched them around manually.

As far as Unsigned2 goes, though, I've been thinking about doing that for a while as it really cuts down on the re-arranging you have to do when you're copying from the history or a diff header. I think the entire coding of Unsigned2 could probably just be {{Unsigned|{{{2}}}|{{{1}}}}}. :) I didn't make the parameters optional in that, cuz the poor Unsigned template cries if you omit {{{2}}}. :P – Robin Hood↝talk 01:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that simple switch should work (and it's easy). elliot (talk) 01:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Turns out it was pretty easy. Here it is in action:

{{User:Jak Atackka/Template3|Jak Atackka|~~~~~}}{{User:Jak Atackka/Template3}}

{{User:Jak Atackka/Template3|Jak Atackka|~~~~~|blah}}{{User:Jak Atackka/Template3}}

Just define the third parameter and it'll flip the order. ?• JA^Talk 02:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

If you are copying from history, the code would be {{unsigned|22:09, February 10, 2012|Jak Atackka}}. So yours doesn't achieve that function; it just changes what it looks like. elliot (talk) 02:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're going after. Are you trying to have it so you can input the inputs in reverse order and it will just automatically fix it? ?• JA^Talk 02:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Look at Template:Unsigned2 on WP. elliot (talk) 02:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

{{unsigned2}} is now functional, as is {{uns2}}. elliot (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Excellent! And good catch with forcing the numbered parameters - I wasn't thinking of that. I'll undoubtedly start using this right away...my fingers get sore from all the cutting & pasting of unsigneds. – Robin Hood↝talk 02:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice~ I'm going to experiment with auto-detecting what order to display it in. I'm going to create a test template under Template:UnsignedAuto so I can use #preview. Wish me luck! ?• JA^Talk 02:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Changed from UTC to GMT?

I am pretty sure the example text, and possibly the parameter description, has changed from UTC to GMT some time between 22 October and 5 November, though I can not find anything in the history. I know this because I copy and paste from the example when I am marking unsigned contributions. After having discovered this I also observe that the time zone abbreviation when signing with 4 × tilde also has changed from UTC to GMT a few months prior to this change here.

I am not sure why this is done, as the GMT is more or less universally replaced by UTC as time zone standard. In this perspective the UESP Wiki seems to go the wrong way. Can anyone enlighten me on this? —MortenOSlash (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2012 (GMT)

After the wiki upgrade, the site default was changed from UTC to GMT. I updated this template to reflect that back in October. — ABCface^◥ 23:26, 19 November 2012 (GMT)

It may be that MediaWiki has changed from UTC to GMT, or it may be that the site owner just selected the wrong time zone. It's one of several things we need to look into at some point. For now, though, GMT is what's in use, so it makes sense that the examples were changed to match. – Robin Hood↝talk 00:42, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

GMT or UTC are for common use no big difference, though GMT is the more old fashioned. To me using GMT feels a bit like saying Soviet Union when talking about Russia. I do not have much feelings about it, but it seemed unorderly enough for me to think about it as a kind of minor bug. —MortenOSlash (talk) 06:05, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

Btw. The unsigned2 template still uses UTC in the example. —MortenOSlash (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2012 (GMT)

LOL! Thanks for noticing. I've fixed it now. – Robin Hood↝talk 19:04, 25 November 2012 (GMT)

Why two templates?

Why are there two templates for unsigned contirbutions? —MortenOSlash (talk) 12:05, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Unsigned takes the name, and then the date. Unsigned2 takes the date and then the name. I use unsigned 2 because all i have to do is copy the entry from the history page.  :) then its already in the format required by the template. doing this with unsigned would yield — Unsigned comment by 12:05, 8 February 2013‎ (talk • contribs) on MortenOSlash :P Jeancey (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Is that all of it? Who on Tamriel then established the more inconvenient one, and why?! We are supposed to be an intelligent species, aren we? :-) —MortenOSlash (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

The original was taken from Wikipedia, where they did the same thing. I think the original thinking was that the date/time parameter was optional, but the name wasn't, so it made sense to have the name parameter first. In practice, however, when you're using both, it's more convenient to have the parameters in the opposite order. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 23:09, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

There you go. Whenever something seems illogical in the current situation there is always some history behind explaining. Thanks. —MortenOSlash (talk) 17:53, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

Shorter text

Considering how the default signature adds the time directly after the name without any words, I think this template should be simplified to say:

— Unsigned comment by Example (talk • contribs) 21:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

This would allow the template's coding to be simplified a bit and makes the unsigned text shorter (it's still longer than the average signature). —Dillonn241 (talk) 08:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The template is more of an explanation than a direct replacement for a signature, and removing the "at" and "on" makes the sentence a bit harder to read. The "average" signature might appear shorter, but it is usually much more complicated and larger than it appears; it is the default signature that is presented without the at and on. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:20, 30 June 2018 (UTC)