Oblivion talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 6

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Music

After completing the Arena you can select the nickname "The Iron Maiden" or "Man o' War" depending on your sex. These are both heavy metal bands that became popular in the 80s.

The band actually spells its name "Manowar", not "Man o' War". Both phrases, "iron maiden" and "man o' war", are common and have other meanings. Without a citation indicating what Bethsoft meant by including it, it's not an Easter egg. Phelaran 21:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I would actually say it is an easter egg, because in the german version of the game (wich was translated by bethsoft developers), it still says "Man-o'-War", untranslated. Still, I can't remember if it was "Iron Maiden" or "Eiserne Jungfrau" in the german version... also, they often forgot to translate stuff or did it wrong. 80.239.242.46 21:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

So what? Both bands used a term already in use, and in senses far more relevant to this instance. See Man O' War and Iron maiden. In any case, there is a difference between a reference and an Easter Egg. rpeh •T•C•E• 16:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Kvatch - a game of tag?

Kvatch is one of the Russian names for "tag" (квач). However, it appears that this name is used only in some regions, mainly in Ukraine and Belarus. — Unsigned comment by Dimon37 (talk • contribs) at 21:57 on 1 December 2009

Okay, but how does that fit in with any of the quests in Kvatch? I can't think of any that resemble either the game of tag or that include a tag (as in a label). Without more of a tie-in, we have to assume it's just a coincidence. —Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 09:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

also kvatch in german means crap, and the city is just that when you go to visit it as you probaly already know Patosaurus 06:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Kvatch in German does not mean crap.

And: simile is not equality. — Unsigned comment by 62.194.21.246 (talk) on 17 April 2010

Kvatch means garbage or trash in German. That's also what I thought when I first saw the city.70.135.97.74 18:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Another Tolkien Reference?

I was reading up alittle on the Lord of The Rings and found that the Army of dead that Aragorn used during the Battle of Pelennor Fields were called the dead men of Dunharrow in the book, and Dunharrow is pretty close to Dunbarrow, from the dubarrow cove plugin/quest, which is incidently also filled with Skeletons when you visit it the first time, i am not sure if this might be a reference to Tolkien but the two names are as i pointed out earlier close to eachother. Maybe another Easter Egg? — Unsigned comment by 85.82.137.30 (talk) on 27 December 2009

It wouldn't be an Easter Egg, just a reference. Furthermore, "Dun" seems like a small and common word, as "barrow" is simply a word an apt description of the place. --Timenn-<talk> 16:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

'dun' as in dun-mer? — Unsigned comment by 62.194.21.246 (talk) on 17 April 2010

Arena chant

Is it my imagination, or do the audience in the Arena chant "Jerry! Jerry!" in a reference to the Jerry Springer Show? The Land 21:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ha Ha Ha i see it's not only me that hears it. — Unsigned comment by 123.2.108.119 (talk) on 3 January 2010

I would add it to the page but I see it's semi-protected... anyone else want to? The Land 21:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

If you use your imagination you can hear almost anything in something as chaotic as crowd cheering. --Timenn-<talk> 15:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

That is EXACTLY what they are chanting in the exact tone and style of Springer's audience!!— Unsigned comment by 97.114.241.200 (talk) at 22:54 on 23 June 2010

9th Divine

The name of the 9th divine, Talos, probably comes from Greek mythology as a giant man of bronze who spent his time protecting and watching over Europa of Crete. This is similar to how the accended Tiber Septim helps to watch over and protect the people of Tamriel. — Unsigned comment by 80.232.250.96 (talk) on 5 January 2010

That would not be an Easter Egg! References to Greek culture are quite common because it's part of most western heritage! --Timenn-<talk> 15:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Baldur's Gate II reference

Many bandits shout out "Jump on my sword while you can!" when attacking you. This is taken directly from one of the battle cries of the barbarian Minsc in Baldur's Gate II: "Jump on my sword while you can evil! I won't be as gentle." I humbly suggest that this be added to the pop culture section. Hactar 17:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

There are numerous battle cries in various games. The probability of two similar cries to be coincidental is significant enough for this not to be noteworthy for this article. --Timenn-<talk> 13:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I would have to disagree that this is coincidental. The wording is highly unusual and Googling it, I found virtually no references that weren't direct quotations from the BG2 character. It's not at all unusual to give a nod to other popular games within your own, and Minsc was probably the most-popular and most-quoted character from the entire series of games (so much so that he's the only character from BG2 to have his own Wikipedia page). Googling the phrase, then removing the occurrences that mention "Minsc", "evil", or "gentle" on the same page (i.e., it's not clearly related to Minsc and the phrase seems to be shortened as it is above), the hits went from 67,000 to 6 (all of which were on Oblivion pages). You can never prove these things, of course, but I think it's more than likely that this was deliberate. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 08:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Or it may be something deeper. I could swear that the dark male voice I heard in Baldurs is the same man that voices for bethseda, for orks. — Unsigned comment by 62.194.21.246 (talk) on 17 April 2010

The Black Hand - Could the reference be more toward the C&C universe Brotherhood of Nod Black Hand than the historical Black Hand?

The Black Hand for the Brotherhood of Nod in the C&C universe has a similar purpose as The Black Hand for the Dark Brotherhood, even having the same historical reference, but predates the Dark Brotherhood version by years. (The Black Hand of Nod being a part of C&C since the Firestorm expansion of Tiberian Sun in 2000. The Black Hand of the Dark Brotherhood in the TES series not seen until TES4:Oblivion) Could it be that the developers were actually referencing the C&C group instead of the lesser known historical group?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Nod

The Black Hand is a feared and prestigious echelon of warrior priests who serve as both a type of religious police, the elite special forces of the Brotherhood of Nod and the ritual executioners of Kane's choice enemies.[35][36] Introduced in Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun's expansion pack Firestorm, the Black Hand are shown as being comprised out of Kane's wardens in all matters which concern the spiritual fortitude and internal stability of the Brotherhood; being the congregation of those possessing unwavering loyalty and unquestioning obedience to the prophecy of Nod.[35] As such, the Black Hand are tasked with distributing and proselytizing of the word of Kane, as well as maintaining discipline among the ranks of the Brotherhood.[35] Rumored to date back to shortly after Nod's own emergence as a globalized quasi-state in the modern world, the Black Hand maintain a parallel organization within the Brotherhood with political, religious and military wings.[35] Despite this, the order kept a surprisingly low profile prior to the era portrayed in Tiberium Wars; shrouding their rituals, beliefs, and, to the world beyond Nod, their very existence in a veil of secrecy.[35] The Black Hand became a playable faction in the expansion to Tiberium Wars, titled Kane's Wrath.[37]

A connection between real-life historical events and the fictional Black Hand of the C&C games exists as well—on June 28, 1914, at Sarajevo in Bosnia and Herzegovina, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, a Serb nationalist belonging to a group called the "Black Hand" assassinated Archduke Francis Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, an event often attributed with having triggered World War I. Coincidentally, the second prelate of the Black Hand in the C&C universe, Anton Slavik, was revealed to be a character of Serbian origin who also was known as "The Serbian Wolf".[38]

The historical Black Hand group were a secret nationalist group, like the Nod Black Hand, not the DB Black Hand. The historical Black Hand were not religion oriented, like the DB is. The Brotherhood of Nod seems like the middle ground between the historical group and the TES group in terms of references. I believe the reference in the TES series is stronger toward it being a C&C reference than a historical one.

Thoughts?

Torinir 06:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Another reason to believe it's a C&C reference and not the historical reference is the fact that Oblivion was released around the same time as C&C: The First Decade (Q1 2006) after a much hyped tribute to the C&C series' longevity in 2005. Torinir 08:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The best relationship is TES Black Hand -> C&C Black Hand -> Historical Black Hand. The C&C group bridging the religio-centric TES group and the politico-centric historical group by being a crossing of the two paths (Kane being a quasi-religious leader, seeking to gain political control of the world). Torinir 04:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You're describing a similarity, not a reference, and certainly not an Easter Egg. A reference is usually submissive to its target, a small element of a greater whole. It's meant as an homage to the source material. Copying an entire concept is another thing entirely (can be considered to be plagiarism) which I doubt Bethesda did. It may be that they were inspired by it, but we cannot know unless they tell it themselves. --Timenn-<talk> 14:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Similarity, as far as I can see. It wouldent be anything more, since Lucien Lechance dosent have a flamethrower and or Announce his arrival. That said, they are both commited to using the shadows.

Blades Names

(moved from UESPWiki:Administrator_Noticeboard#A little addition)

Am sorry I am posting here. The page is locked and I thought this would be a nice tidbit: In the Oblivion pages, under Easter Eggs. I am a tad surprised nobody has mentioned this. Many of the members of the Blades at Cloud Ruler Temple have the names of major historical figures. As examples, Pelagius, Cyrus, and Belisarius. See if you can spot others! — Unsigned comment by Flowers (talk • contribs) on 30 January 2010

That information is already noted on the individual NPC pages (here, here and here) but it's not important enough to be worth mentioning on the easter eggs page. rpeh •T•C•E• 08:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

The Grey Fox

The head of the Thieves' Guild is loosely based off of a real-life thief from the 19th century, Billy Miner, known in his heyday as The Gray Fox. He was also known as "The Gentlemen Thief", and was the most successful stage coach- and train-robber in history. Notably, he coined the phrase, "Hands up!" by conceiving of the idea of a stick-up, instead of shooting all witnesses. This is mirrored in the Theives' Guild's leader's inflections and intonations. — Unsigned comment by Son of Mallin (talk • contribs) at 03:19 on 9 February 2010

There is also a 1982 movie about Bill Miner called "The Grey Fox". — Unsigned comment by 99.180.204.72 (talk) at 20:37 on 30 March 2010

Having a thief called The Grey Fox is certainly a likely comparison to the real-world one, but I think it would be better if we had more than the name and "inflections and intonations" to go on. If there were a quest that bore a strong resemblance to something the real-world Grey Fox did, then I would say you've got a clear link. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

This is obviously a myth. coining the phrase 'hands up' in the 19th century? Its like inventing bread in the 21th or the wheel in the 18th. The gray fox is most likely a semblance of the archetypical hero 'the noble thief' wich is prolly older than babylon. Similar to the bal molagmer in Morrowind. — Unsigned comment by 62.194.21.246 (talk) on 17 April 2010

References Are Not Easter Eggs?

On numerous times on this discussion page proposed easter eggs are dismissed because they are references and "not easter eggs". Perhaps an alternate definition of easter egg then mine is being acted upon but I would consider a hidden reference to be an easter egg. Obvious references are of course still dismissable but not all references are obvious. Not only this but it is not fully enforced, for example with the May the Best Thief Win reference to Little Shop of Horrors which is hardly obscure. — Unsigned comment by 68.203.8.98 (talk) on 16 March 2010

A definition that has been cited here more than once is found here. I think the FAQ about the references rings true for this article as well. We do cover references, but they are usually present on the articles themselves, instead of being gathered on a single (very large) page. --Timenn-<talk> 20:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Underworld Reference

I was reading in the Shivering Isles about Grummite DeathDealers. I believe that might be a reference to the Death Dealers in Underworld, who are the hunters/worriors that go out and find those who they are at war with. Also Other then Elders, Very Powerful.--DemonessLilith 19:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Deathdealer sounds like a common enough word for fantasy slang, so no, I don't think it's a reference. --Timenn-<talk> 20:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Skjorta

Is Swedish for shirt not Norwegian, its "Skjorte" in Norwegian — Unsigned comment by 84.209.77.58 (talk) at 16:37 on 31 March 2010

Thank you for the report. I changed the page appropriately. ^{(Confirmed by Wiktionary)} ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 18:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The Warp in the West (Book)

The first line of the skill book "The Warp in the West" reads "For Your Eyes Only". This could be a possibly reference too the 1981 James Bond film For your eyes only. — Unsigned comment by Killykilly357 (talk • contribs) at 19:16 on 4 April 2010

That's a very common phrase in security, no different than labelling something "Top Secret". Unless there's something else that links it to the James Bond movie, it could be a reference to any number of things. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 19:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. :(— Unsigned comment by Killykilly357 (talk • contribs) at 10:35 on 5 April 2010

Nothing to apologize for! It was a genuine observation. ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 11:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Wolok gro-Barok, but I always feel the need to apologize when I make mistakes like that. I should have done more reseach.— Unsigned comment by Killykilly357 (talk • contribs) at 16:27 on 5 April 2010

Seeing if others agree with a proposed change is one of the things a talk page is for. Don't apologize...and as a preventative measure, don't apologize for apologizing. ;) ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 17:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Under Siege

No idea why there's a VN tag on that one since it's SO blatant - someone's never actually seen the movie, I suppose. For reference, the quote is here: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010720/ — Unsigned comment by 24.180.46.112 (talk) at 10:00 on 9 April 2010

Well, I don't know about the poster of the VN tag, but I've seen the movie more times than I can count. Posing as a ship's cook and not being believed doesn't sound a whole lot like Under Siege where, in fact, it was quite the opposite: they believed him to be the cook until they later found out he was a SEAL. Also, the dialogue is only somewhat similar:

Quest: "I'm just the ship's cook."

Movie: "I'm just a cook." "A cook?" "Just a lowly, lowly cook."

Not exactly a clear reference. If the quest had said something like "I'm just a lowly, lowly ship's cook." or something similar, I'd consider it far more blatant. Are there other similarities between the quest and the movie? While I've done the quest, I can't say I remember it well enough to spot similarities at this point. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 21:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

You mean aside from the whole plot, with a ship being hijacked and "the cook" saving the day?

I haven't done the quest in a while either, but I doubt there are any more references in it: if there were, we'd have picked up on them originally, and if someone doesn't get it from the cook line, hammering any more in wouldn't help and would turn it from a "clever" homage into something clunky.

I don't think there's any doubt about where that line came from, let alone "reasonable" doubt. What are the chances that the developers (who are mostly in their 30s) haven't also seen the movie multiple times? As far as adding "lowly" goes, half the quest dialog options in the game are a single word as it is, and "I'm just the cook" is certainly enough to get the reference across, since that's the "famous" first response line in the movie, not the longer line later. Everything's open to interpretation, but I think this one's about as clear as an "in-joke" gets without just becoming so heavy-handed that it loses its style.

Don't get me wrong, you might be right and that wouldn't surprise me at all, but we generally expect a less-ambiguous reference than someone trying to pass themselves off as a cook on-board ship when they're anything but. In this case, I just don't see it as clear and unambiguous. There are a number of similarities and I think that makes it quite plausible, but there are a number of differences as well (like it's a gang led by a woman and you free the bouncer instead of a dancer). At least from where I stand, you can't say that there's no question it was meant to be a reference to Under Siege. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that you're wrong either, which is why I haven't removed it from the page. Like the person who added the VN tag (rpeh), I'm willing to leave it there pending either a consensus or further evidence for or against. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 21:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Shadowmere

So I'm re-reading the LOTR and low and behold! Shadowmere is taken from a Bilbo Baggins poem/song he wrote at Rivendell while Frodo is healing from the wound at Weathertop.

This may've already been noticed/discussed/pointed out but I couldn't see it anywhere and should be added to the "Easter Eggs" section.

Here's a nice link to that actual poem/song called "Song of Earendil"

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Song_of_E%C3%A4rendil

And here's the actual line:

   A wanderer escaped from night 
   to haven white he came at last, 
   to Elvenhome the green and fair 
   where keen the air, where pale as glass 
   beneath the Hill of Ilmarin 
   a-glimmer in a valley sheer 
   the lamplit towers of Tirion 
   are mirrored on the Shadowmere. 

Enjoy!! — Unsigned comment by Skjorvhald (talk • contribs) at 18:51 on 28 April 2010

PS Didn't remember this until later as I'm not past book one of the trilogy but to my knowledge the only horse Gandalf ever rode was Shadowfax, the fastest horse of them all. — Unsigned comment by Skjorvhald (talk • contribs) at 20:42 on 28 April 2010

While that's certainly one possible source, even a likely one considering that it's the same underlying genre, it's not enough to go on. There would have to be other similarities to help confirm that it was taken from Lord of the Rings. As an example, if you found Shadowmere at a place called Tirion. As it is, Shadowmere could, for example, simply be a corruption of Shadowmare, with the name just being a coincidence, and there's nothing to say that that theory isn't just as valid. If you can find some supporting evidence, though, then it would warrant addition to the page. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 20:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, here goes:

Mere is an archaic form of pool and is hardly ever used anywhere that I know of but is extensively used in LOTR as in Shadowmere, Mirromere, etc. In other words - it's used frequently in LOTR.

Also, Shadowmere only shows up in 2 places - LOTR and Oblivion. Gandalf rode a white stallion named Shadowfax which was the fastest horse in Middle Earth. The fastest horse in Oblivion is a black mare named Shadowmere - a name that exists no where else except in LOTR. Having the fastest horse called Shadowmere is a direct tribute to the fastest horse called Shadowfax and named from a term lifted directly from LOTR. Also, the fact that it's a black mare is indicative as it's a direct contrast to a white stallion.

Mares are slower than stallions/geldings as there have only been 3 fillies that have won the Kentucky Derby - very unlikely that the fastest horse would be a mare; hence, another clue - why would the fastest horse be a black mare named Shadowmere if it weren't a tribute to the white stallion Shadowfax?

Who names a horse "Shadow___"? The only 2 places I know of that have a horse named "Shadow___" are LOTR and Oblivion...not only are they named Shadow-something-or-other they both happen to be the fastest horse alive and both are named names that ONLY exist in LOTR. The names are "put together" as in Shadowfax and Shadowmere as opposed to Shadow Fax and Shadow Mere - which is most likely the way someone other than J.R.R. Tolkien would do it. If this were a corrupted form of Shadow Mare then it may've been Shadow Mere.

That is to say that horses are named Shadow Dancer and not Shadowdancer. So not only are these horses named Shadow___ they are formatted the way J.R.R. Tolkien would do it.— Unsigned comment by Skjorvhald (talk • contribs) at 19:15 on 7 May 2010

No, supporting evidence; not independent theory or conjecture - no matter how sound or reasonable - but published information that documents such a relationship. An example would be a magazine interview with a BethSoft employee that confirms that Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood 'reward' horse IS a secret reference to J.R.R. Tolkien's speedy white stallion. A wiki only puts forth information that can be confirmed by independent sources. Empath 05:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

That's not quite correct. Wikipedia holds to that standard, but we're not quite so stringent, largely because it would be impossible to do so for many things. For example, Jakben, Earl of Imbel has never been confirmed by anybody that I'm aware of to have been a take-off of "Jack Be Nimble", but it's patently obvious to most people. In other cases, it's more of a gray area. Ultimately, for this type of page, it's community consensus that decides what has sufficient supporting evidence to merit being presented on the article. ‒ Robin Hood↝talk 14:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The Imperial Isle

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance between the Imperial Isle and the continent of North America? — Unsigned comment by 75.163.134.83 (talk) on 24 May 2010

Maybe Africa...--^Corevette₇₈₉ 02:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not particularly striking and any similarity is just coincidence. When people started saying that the map of Ankh-Morpork looked like London, Terry Pratchett pointed out that any old city with a wiggly river running through it would look like London. Any vague similarity between two objects and the brain's pattern-matching algorithms kick in. rpeh •T•C•E• 07:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The art of war magic

This seems a eastern egg that is related towards the reall book The art of war. Even the text is simmulair. Anybody who likes to add it I don't want to register just to add it and I don't really fully know how to eddid the links. — Unsigned comment by 85.147.110.73 (talk) on 24 May 2010

That's already mentioned for Morrowind. It doesn't need mentioning twice and since the book first appears in the earlier game, that's probably the best place for it. rpeh •T•C•E• 12:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The Archers Paradox

I was thinking that the name of the blacksmith in Anvil 'The Archers Paradox' is a bit of a sly reference to Zeno of Elea's 'Arrow Paradox'.

Yes, that is already known.--Arch-Mage Matt^Talk 14:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

an end of an era

In oblivion, the game is set near the end of the first era, when the Lord of the Rings is also set in the third era.

i think you mean third instead of first but i think it's just a coinceadence--GUM!!! 17:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

There are a great many things measured in numeric eras. I don't think there's any link to be drawn here, especially since there's no reason to believe that they're even intended to be the same world. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 19:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The Black Hand Papercut Massacre Album If These Scars Could Talk.

The Black Hand Sign closly represents papercut massacre Album If theses scars could talk they both have a hand but black hands sign is a black and papercut massacres is bloody.— Unsigned comment by 99.137.61.142 (talk) at 22:21 on 10 June 2010

I hardly think that is a reference, just a coincidence. A link would also be useful. I'm also suspecting this album came out after 2006. --Arch-Mage Matt^Talk 22:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Blue Suede Shoes

This is most likely not an easter egg, more likely they are just plain Blue Suede Shoes. maybe consider removing this easter egg from the article? — Unsigned comment by SniperOverkill9 (talk • contribs) at 08:00 on 15 June 2010

You might be right about this. While I'm not sure how widespread plain Blue Suede Shoes is these days, it is worth considering. Then again, we have countless easter eggs worth considering. --Krusty 08:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Mortal World Turned To Ice

This 'title' in the Hircine Quest is a reference (and I think a direct quote) from Ridley Scott's 80s fantasy movie "Legend," starring Tim Curry, Mia Sara and Tom Cruise. The quest even involves a similar set up; dark god sends minion to slay Unicorn - in the film, this is intended to bring about an eternal winter. In the film, there are two unicorns, and only one is successfully slain at first, causing the "mortal world [to be] turned to ice!" If I recall, one of the goblin characters actually says exactly this shortly after the first unicorn's death. You even have to bring back the Unicorn's horn to Hircine (again, the goblin Blix returns the severed horn of the first unicorn to The Lord of Darkness). 78.144.106.149 18:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Princess Bride References

In Testinghall you will encounter two NPCs, one named 'Prince Humperdink' and another named 'Inigo Montoya', both characters from the Movie 'The Princess Bride'. You also will find The aforementioned 'Dewey Decimal' there with them. — Unsigned comment by 68.98.200.163 (talk) at 21:18 on 21 June 2010

Testinghall isn't an official part of the game, so we would not normally note it on the Easter Egg page. ‒ Robin Hood↝talk 22:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

There is also a test character named 'Count Tyrone Rugen' - the six-fingered man, also from 'The Princess Bride' :D — Unsigned comment by 81.6.245.237 (talk) at 20:28 on 24 June 2010

You say that Prince Humperdink etc. would not normally be added because it's in the Testing Hall, and yet you add Dewey Decimal as an Easter Egg. =\ — Unsigned comment by 71.112.226.157 (talk) at 02:55 on 28 June 2010

Good point. I hadn't noticed that one. It's now been removed. ‒ Robin Hood↝talk 17:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Wars Reference?

This is just an observation, but in the first Oblivion gate in Kvatch there is a charred corpse missing both legs and an arm. This is similar to what happens to Anakin Skywalker at the end of Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith, when Obi Wan Kenobi cuts off his arm and then his legs before leaving him to burn in the lava.

I really think that is just a coincidence. --Arch-Mage Matt^Talk 20:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

How not to be seen

"I've heard that City-Swimmer has learned the value of not being seen. Quite impressive, and she'll teach it to others." this is from monty python's flying circus, or "and now for something completely different" and it is one of the more famous sketch's, this is the youtube link for the sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ , when mr. shmegmar gets shot, the announcer says "this demonstrates the value of not being seen" which is not a common line, yet people say it about city swimmer, which, is most likely from the monty python sketch (of course theres chance for coincidence, although in this case very low chance) and a wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Not_to_Be_Seen Noidzar 15:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been a fan of Monty Python for decades (and Graham Chapman was still alive and they were still pumping out movies when I got interested in them), and I have to say I'd never made the connection. It's entirely possible that BethSoft made a MPFC reference to this sketch (though I would not go to the lengths to say is "one of the more famous sketches") but it's not quite certain, and it's still a reference not an easter egg. Please don't confuse dissent with dismissal, though - I'm still on the fence about this, myself, and am entirely open to convincing arguments. Also a wiki is administered in matters like this by consensus of many, not the fiat of a few, so don't take one dissenting opinion to mean that the whole disagrees with you! Thanks for bringing this up, and I hope this sparks off interesting discussion and research! Empath 13:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Look at the easter egg page, under television and movies, nearly all of those say reference and have the same sort of basis as this is coming from, so i would think this would fit there, that, and it IS one of the more popular sketches, said so by the announcer in the movie "And now for something completely different" and easter eggs are generally just acurate refrences, and this is pretty accurate, but im unsure as to what details you are looking for in particular, so i have to keep coming up with guessing response, it would help if you could tell me what was missing in the evidence, thank you Noidzar 15:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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