Morrowind talk:Factions

Faction tables moved

If you're looking for the faction tables in the hints section, I've moved it to the Morrowind:Faction_tables page. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I thought a real faction page was a nice improvement to have. :D It also clears up some inconsistencies, because several links were already made on other pages to non-existent pages like House Hlaalu in the factions namespace, which contained the faction tables, but no link to the specified page. -- Errabee

First problem is I haven't got a clue how to create the category page. -- Errabee

In the Category page, you only need this line:

[[Category:{supercategory}|{alpha key}]]

Where {supercategory} is one level up, in this case Morrowind, and {alpha key} indicates where it should be located alphabetically in the supercategories index, in this case you would put Factions so it's found under F (otherwise it would be found under M, for Morrowind:Factions). Note, don't include the curly braces.

Unfortunately, it may just be my browser but after putting in that line in the category page, it still is showing up as an undedited page...i.e., red. --Switch 23:19, 4 May 2005 (EDT)

Category solved

I noticed that in the Hints page a space was put before the alpha key. That seemed to do the trick. Thanks for the help! -- Errabee 07:54 (CET), 5 May 2005

Exclusive Factions

Could somebody add a quick note information on this page (at the bottom) just quickly mentionning which factions are exclusive from one another (e.g. you can't join one if you're in the other)? Some of this is in the indivdual faction pages, but a quick note on this table of contents would be handy for visitors (like me).

I'll go ahead and add that.--Ratwar 09:56, 5 February 2007 (EST)

This one is easy, so regardless of bugs and mods: if you join a political house you cannot jin another one, if you join a vampire clan you cannot join another one (it is biological impossible since your body has resistance to phorphorus hermofilia(first stage of vampire disease))

adding to this, once you start the ashlander/nerevarine questline, it closes off the tribunal faction. i will probably retry to join the tribunal faction at the end of the game, to see if it's a permanent disposition change or not. — Unsigned comment by 76.20.50.22 (talk) at 07:13 on 10 February 2024 (UTC)

This is noted on the Tribunal Temple faction page. — Wolfborn^(Howl) 06:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

About the ranking table.

I didn't include that because it's entirely redundant. If you would like to see ranks, they could look at the faction's page. Do we really need it on the page? --Brandol 11:02, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Expelling & Making Amends

Factions differ in their levels of forgiveness. For example, the Tribunal Temple and House Redoran only let you slip once before you are permanantly expelled. But factions like House Telvanni seem to let you "make amends" over and over.

Anybody is welcome to add this info. I'm involved in other projects at the moment. --DrPhoton 04:33, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I remember most of this info from looking it up in the CS, and can quickly find what I don't remember. I'll probably add it to the individual faction pages, rather than putting it here, as I've seen at least one faction page that already has it. Narfblat 03:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Mages Guild/Clan Quarra

I'm curious why the Mages Guild is neutral towards Quarran Vampires, when they're (-1) towards the other two vampire clans. . .is there some relationship or arrangement in the game I'm unaware of that would 'splain this? Thanks for any response.

I think the Mages Guild should be neutral against any vampire clan. Yet they maybe upset on Aundae the same reason they are upset on Telvanni(opposite magic factions). But why are they upset on Berne?

Ashlanders

How exactly are there any sub-factions within the Ashlanders? It's not like they have any bearing on the game. Only impact would be via in-game lore (fighting between tribes), but that's like assigning different factions to different towns(no real effect). And what's the deal with the Nerevarine cult? It's listed as a sub-faction as well, but I don't think it has any in-game effects as well. Does anyone know more about that? -Meisterdieb 17:58, 30 December 2008 (EST)

There aren't - at least, in CS terms there aren't. The sub-factions are merely the people living at different camps. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:22, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Faction Grid

The faction grid needs some work. The main issue is that it has different values when you read it in different directions. For instance, the Temple is -8 to the Nerevarine vertically but 0 horizontally. I'd fix it but I have no idea how to make wikigrids work. Thanks! 68.202.142.213 17:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

That's deliberate. One faction can like/dislike another faction more than vice versa. i.e. you may deeply hate your neighbour, while he holds no resentment towards you. --Timenn-<talk> 12:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, my neighbor is the one who started it - I'm just trying to mind own business, but he keeps spreading lies about me.75.63.125.102 01:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Faction Formula

Maybe I am missing something, but there is something missing in the formula. I have been the leader of all major guilds before and the ashlanders did not hate me at -275 deposition. I was part of House Telvanni, my favorite guild, and they did not hate me at -142.5 deposition. Granted, I do remember tribunal temple not liking me that much but the formula says that they would only hate me at -75 deposition compared to the others? And some of the other numbers on the positive side are crazy too! 210 for Fighters Guild, if I recall, I had 100 personality, masque of clavius vile, and leader of all major guilds, and no random member of the Fighters Guild liked me at 100% deposition. I have seen that being in certain guilds does have an effect on deposition, and that rank also does, but not to the extent this formula implies. I am playing another run through Morrowind right now and I guess I will check again, but I could have sworn Telvanni loved me and so did the ashlanders.

Nerevarine

The information about Nerevarine in this article is either confusing or nonexistant. It's not listed like the other factions, and the results on the chart don't make sense. The note at the bottom says "+4" but the chart says "-8"! I know it's kind of a spoiler, but don't tease people like this. --Zander490 18:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

(Facepalm) I just read the Faction Grid topic above. Didn't think of a Guild turing the other cheek. However, I still think Nerevarine needs more words. --Zander490 18:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

OK... So Nerevarine is listed under Ashlander in the article, and they're listed sepratly in the grid... Help...--Zander490 18:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nerevarine is actually a separate faction in the game data, independent of the Ashlanders, unlike the other Ashlander sub-factions, those are not factions in the game data at all. --Alfwyn (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2014 (GMT)

Creature Faction?

I know OB has one of them what about MW?--TheAlbinoOrc^{Got_a_question?} 22:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Morrowind has only a handful of factions and they are all mentioned ingame. The ones listed on the article are basically the only ones. If I may ask an off-topic question: How many factions does oblivion have? --Kertaw48 15:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

396, including all expansions other than SI. This number also includes some unused factions.--TheAlbinoOrc^{Got_a_question?} 19:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Rank

I don't know the rank system in morrowind since a I am playing oblivion.There are some quest that advance your rank,beside that how can the player advance. (Vvardfell 10:48, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Have you tried playing through the game? If not why do you need to know? In any case the other way to advance in rank is do a certain amount of tasks for that faction, and then ask for advancement from the faction-head of the area you happen to be in (any local faction head can advance you, not just the one you did tasks for).--Ghurhak gro-Demril _{or TAO}^Yes? 10:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Disposition with fellow faction members

Aren't the cross-faction numbers ignored when you belong to the same faction as the NPC in question? I ask because I have seen my Disposition change dramatically when I join a faction. For instance, I join the Temple half-way through the game. My disposition to the NPC admitting me changes from 35 to 75. It seems to me that it must now be ignoring the fact that I am a member of the other factions that were causing the low disposition. If this is true, then the Note about the Nereverene faction reaction modifier changing with respect to the Temple and Redoran is irrelevant, since the Nereverene faction modifier would be ignored if you are a member of the NPC's faction. --Brf 14:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Daedra Faction is Missing

As a non-joinable faction, with one quest that i know of: Morrowind:Molag_Bal's_Quest i think it needs to be added for completeness sake. — Unsigned comment by 115.70.80.179 (talk) on 06 December 2010

Daedra is not a faction. It is a race. --Brf 18:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent Additions

In a recent(ish) edit this was added about the Dark Brotehrhood: "Despite being related to several quests the faction does not technically exist without the Tribunal expansion". Since it is mentioned here I assume that it was in the vanilla game, but I only have the Oblivion CS. --DKong27 ^{Talk Cont} 01:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The point is that the vanilla game contains several references to the Dark Brotherhood (the quests Execute Durus Marius, Ultimatum for Carecalmo, A Contact in the Dark Brotherhood, and Ultimatum for Movis Darys) but the in-game faction doesn't exist until you install Tribunal. That explains why none of the NPCs involved in those quests are in the DB faction - it didn't exist! rpeh •T•C•E• 01:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The other factions marked as "Unknown" do not exist in the game either, except the Sixth House. --Brf 01:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

In multiple factions, what is the result?

Suppose you're both in Mages Guild and in Telvanni. 1. The reaction from Redoran: Is it the sum of the dispostition adjustments (function(-1)+function(-1), from Mages Guild and from Telvanni)? 2. Is the reaction from other in Mages Guild the sum of the dispostition adjustments (function(+3)+function(-3)), as in 1. Or as you're a member of Mages Guild the other in Mages Guild doesn't care that you're in Telvanni as well?

The page doesn't explain this (in any way that I can see). -- MartinS 46.162.71.111 19:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I am assuming it is the sum of all the modifiers, unless you are in the same faction as the NPC. --Brf 19:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Why Can't Search Find this Page?

I had to go to Google to find it, and by the time I did that, my search terms were so specific that it came up as the first result on Google. Downstrike (talk) 20:57, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Search can't find a lot of pages, I believe. There are a few kinks that need working out still. I'm sure eventually it will be fixed. Just be patient, I guess. ES^{(talk•email)} 21:00, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Meanwhile, we have the search engines of our choice. I get my best results starting my search like this and adding search terms as needed. I wish I knew of a place on this wiki to suggest this to others. Downstrike (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Irrelevant factions on the factions table

I was curious what the purpose of Houses Dres and Indoril on the factions page is? In fact, what's the purpose of them having pages within the gamespace that will perpetually be small paragrapsh? So far as I am aware, there appears to be no in-game representation of them as a faction at all. No skills, faction proper, NPCs associated with them, etc. Are these pages technically important, or can they be scratched? At least pages like the Imperial Knights, who are not at all used in-game, still have a proper CS faction. Those two Houses... Nothing.

What's the purpose to these pages, and if no purpose exists, would there be any reason to not propose both for deletion? The absolute only reason I could find for them would be for Tamriel Rebuilt, since the factions would probably be represented in them, though I don't care to verify. That said, they'd be in the TR3 space, not the MW space. ES^{(talk•email)} 20:24, 26 July 2013 (GMT)

That might actually be the reason. The way that the templates work, at least one link will link back to the Morrowind page, thus it was needed. I think we should just redirect them to lore. That prevents red links and is still accurate. Jeancey (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2013 (GMT)

But, these templates are used to link to IN-GAME factions in each gamespace, which leads me to believe that we can/should cut them for consistency from templates too, leaving a redirect for MW -> Lore ES^{(talk•email)} 20:30, 26 July 2013 (GMT)

Conflicting factions

I was checking some edits to the Differences page, and noticed that the section about Morrowind factions states that "Belonging to a faction that is the same type as another prevents you from joining both (notably, the Great Houses and the Vampire Clans)". I checked this page and didn't see anything that says you can't belong to a vampire clan and any Great house, just that Great House members will have lowered disposition towards you (with the exception of Telvanni). Since I haven't made any significant playing time in Morrowind in years, can somebody else clarify this, please? Is the note on the Differences page correct? --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:59, 8 August 2013 (GMT)

It's just as it says, you can be a member of only one Great House (without bug-using) and only one Vampire Clan (although not actually). I don't think there's any other conflict of this variety, though. And there's a note beneath their respective sections explaining that. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 15:33, 8 August 2013 (GMT)

Ok. I guess I read it wrong. I thought it meant that you couldn't join a vampire clan and a Great House at the same time. The wording is a bit ambiguous. Thanks for clarifying. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:50, 8 August 2013 (GMT)

Subfactions

What is the basis for those sub-factions? The reason all data beyond the name is "Unknown" is, because they don't exist in the game data (except Nerevarine). I think, if those are listed, the format would need changing, not giving them a separate table row each. See also #Ashlanders, #Nerevarine and CSList. --Alfwyn (talk) 19:30, 15 February 2014 (GMT)

I've revamped the table as best I could, giving each actual defined faction in the data its own section. I left the tribes as they are an oddity, each tribe having its own hierarchy where the others have a single line. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:37, 15 February 2014 (GMT)

Twin Lamps

It is totally possible to join twin lamps, it even shows it on the menu!

Ranks counting

The ranks are counted from 1 to 10 on this page while they are counted from 0 to 9 on their respective faction pages. Is there a reason for this inconsistency? --Klep (talk) 02:50, 19 December 2014 (GMT)

Favored Attributes/skills

This article doesn't explain what favored attributes or skills do within the factions. If someone added a few sentences that explained their functions, it would be a useful edition to the article. Darkone^(Speak) 20:14, 6 April 2015 (GMT)

That's a fair point that is overlooked. Off the top of my head, I know that the favored skills and attributes are required to rank up. You can go from House Brother to House Father in House Hlaalu, for example without Speed and agility at 33, One of the skills listed at 70 and two more at 35. I don't know if the skills have any other impact on your interactions other than that. Jeancey (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2015 (GMT)

Name or Character Name?

I've been coming across a few inconsistencies between factions pages in both Morrowind and Tamriel Rebuilt. Like the title of this section implies, one of these inconsistencies is title of the name column of the tables under the members sections. After sampling a few pages to see which was more common, it looks like they're used pretty evenly. So my question is, which do we use? Name? or Character Name? I personally vote for Name. •WoahBro^►talk 04:22, 14 May 2015 (GMT)

Grammatical Error

Since this page is protected, I can't correct the error. However, the following sentence is a comma splice:

> There is only one faction, joining the Ashlander Faction puts you on friendly terms with all four tribes.

It should instead read

> There is only one faction; joining the Ashlander Faction puts you on friendly terms with all four tribes.

or

> There is only one faction. Joining the Ashlander Faction puts you on friendly terms with all four tribes.— Unsigned comment by 155.105.7.44 (talk) at 09:53 on 17 November 2015‎

Thanks for pointing that out, I took care of it for you! •WoahBro^►talk 14:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Another Grammatical Error

The faction description in the "Dark Brotherhood" section reads:

...the Dark Brotherhood has been around as centuries...

This should read:

...the Dark Brotherhood has been around for centuries...

A simple edit, but I can't make it since the page is protected. Can someone with the appropriate permissions please change this? Thanks! --Wolfborn (talk) 18:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I corrected it. Thanks for pointing this out! Forfeit (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Faction IDs

Table should include the faction ID numbers. These are occasionally needed for fixing stuff in the Console. — Darklocq ^☎ ¢ 00:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Camonna Tong vs. Thieves Guild

There seems to be an error in the description of Camonna Tong where it is stated that there are no measurable reactions between this faction and the Thieves Guild, while they clearly exist (mutually -3). 109.207.156.90 06:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

You're right. I double-checked in the CS to make sure the table is correct and there is a mutual -3 reaction between them. Don't know where that text in the description came from, but it's clearly wrong and I've gone ahead and removed it. Thanks for pointing this out! — Wolfborn^(Howl) 20:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I was this IP. Hopefully, I will now be able to make such corrections myself, but I will consult when in doubt. --Virstag (talk) 09:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)