Lore talk:Atmora

inhabited by mer

I have not found any reference that mer used to live in Atmora. Possibly a mistake? — Unsigned comment by 178.190.180.57 (talk) at 22:58 on 10 December 2011

Keep in mind that what it says it a bit narrower than what it implies at first glance. It's saying that Atmora is a corruption of an Elven word, not necessarily that elves inhabited Atmora.

But yes, there's at least one source that claims that elves once inhabited Atmora. The Monomyth: "Auriel could not save Altmora, the Elder Wood, and it was lost to Men." Minor Edits 00:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

High Forest?

Given the original elven name "Altmora", it seems to me that it would translate to "High Forest", given that we know "alt" means "high" (e.g. Altmer - High Elves) and "mora" means "forest" (e.g. Balmora - Stone Forest, Sadrith Mora - Mushroom Forest). Though most descriptions depict it as a frozen wasteland, not much of a "forest". (Though to be fair, neither is Balmora, or even Sadrith Mora, really.) Is there any lore supporting this more directly? And if not, should it be included in the article even if it's just speculation? I'll let the loremasters decide this one. TheRealLurlock (talk) 04:15, 27 November 2012 (GMT)

Before the Ages of Man specifically translated Altmora as "Elder Wood" in Aldmeris. The Monomyth also calls it Elder Wood. No in-game source I'm aware of uses the term "High Forest". Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 04:26, 27 November 2012 (GMT)

Well, "Wood"/"Forest" is close enough. I'm curious about that translation of "alt" though - Does that mean it's more proper to translate "Altmer" as "Elder Elves" rather than "High Elves" as is usually given? Pretty sure I've also seen "Alt" used in the name of a mountain range, but the only one I can think of was from Tamriel Rebuilt, which is not official canon. TheRealLurlock (talk) 04:33, 27 November 2012 (GMT)

I do not believe that Alt means "high". This page says that Alt means "cultured". I too am confused with the name, as Ald means "Elder". High Elves is just a human name.--Br3admax (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2012 (GMT)

(edit conflict) The language page treats "alt" as meaning either "High" or "Elder" interchangeably. How the distinction is made is not clear. Suffice it to say, they're not referred to as "Elder Elves" any more often than Atmora is called "High Forest", or the Bosmer are referred to as "Forest Elves". I don't think there's much we can reliably say on the matter. There are a lot of different possible explanations. Like Bread alluded to, it also seems possible that translating "alt" as "High" is a mistake in the first place, thus it would seem inappropriate to build upon it. Castles made of sand and what-not. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 05:15, 27 November 2012 (GMT)

Atmora still inhabited by some humans ?

Because Scavanger from Atmora have been sighted raiding the coast of Solstheim in the late 3rd era and early 4th era and are an obvious testify that Atmora still inhabited by some humans if it's true it should be added to the page — Unsigned comment by 88.165.190.49 (talk) at 00:19 on 29 June 2015 (GMT)

Do you have a source? —Legoless (talk) 00:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Because Talos and Wulfharth (refer to the lore article of Wulfharth who mentioned he's born in Atmora and his memorial tablet in Windhelm in Skyrim) came from Atmora (for Talos he came from Atmora) — Unsigned comment by 88.165.190.49 (talk) at 22:25 on 29 June 2015 (GMT)

Wulfharth came to Tamriel during the Merethic Era like every other Atmoran. The true birthplace of Talos is unknown, and even if he was from Atmora he was born during the Second Era. Nothing to do with Solstheim or the Third Era. —Legoless (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

nedic??????

Im fairly certain that Atmora was never inhabited by Nedes because the nedes bred with nords to make Imperials sooo How can you breed with your own kind and create a whole different species So Atmorans settled there and not NEDES!!!!!! — Unsigned comment by 66.168.9.161 (talk) at 04:09 on 22 June 2017 (UTC)

According to Frontier, Conquest, and Accommodation: A Social History of Cyrodiil, Nedes came from Atmora and were therefore considered Atmorans. Also according to that book, the Nedes consisted of a number of groups, including "the proto-Cyrodilians, the ancestors of the Bretons, the aboriginals of Hammerfell, and perhaps a now-vanished Human population of Morrowind." Only some of the Nedes were considered Nords or proto-Nords. According to our Nede article, and to Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition, it was another group of Nedes and other peoples whose descendents became Imperials. "Centuries of Ayleidic suppression and intermingling with other enslaved groups had taken their toll on Nedic culture in Cyrodiil and all that remained were their mixed race descendants, the Imperials."

Nords, Bretons, Redguards, and so on are considered different races, not different species. New races emerged as a result of having children with people of other races, and possibly also due to regional adaptation or evolution.

Nedes were Atmorans, and some of them came to Tamriel. Different groups of Nedes settled in different areas, and their descendents are now considered different races. Vely^►t►e 15:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

yeah but it said the ancestor of Nords as well but Nedes were not ancestor of the Nords right? so how can they say that Nedes were the ancestor

of Nords if there a different type of race(I know there were Atmorans also). But they settled all of Tamriel before the actual ancestor of the Nords came unless the later Atmorans were considered to be Nedes also? please reply back this is needed information(not really). — Unsigned comment by 66.168.9.161 (talk) at 04:58 on 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This kind of discussion would probably be better suited to the forums. As I pointed out here, we really don't know. —Legoless (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)