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Tamriel:Factions

I've been looking around Lore:Factions and I've noticed how terrible these pages are. Most of the Daggerfall factions are ok, but the Major factions, i.e. the Thieves Guild was made by a Daggerfall person. The description that appears on the top of the page and on the Lore:Factions_T page is fine, but the information inside is terribly incomplete, and also written from the perspective of a Daggerfall person. The Lore:Factions_T's page on the Tribunal Temple is fine, but it is too big of an article to not have its own page. It should have a description (the first paragraph works fine) and a link to the Tribunal Temple Tamriel page.

Basicly, what I'm saying is that I need help going through and fixing the major factions. I want all of the factions to have:

• A description in the "Tamriel:Factions" page
• A link to the factions Main Article, or if the Main Article would just be the description, then no link. (Some Daggerfall factions do not have a large amount of info to be written.)
• The Main Article should include the description of the faction, along with a description of their role in the different elder scroll games.
• More people working on them. These pages are orphans.

--Timmeh ^Talk 11:47, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I just did a revamp of the Lore:Fighters Guild article (following your cleanup of all the details, thanks!) to a layout that I think works better overall and is more consistent how I've tried to set up some other Tamriel pages. If you'd like to use that as a template/example for other pages, I think it provides the types of features you're looking for:

• The main faction page, e.g., Lore:Fighters Guild is now directly transcluded anywhere else that a Fighters Guild description is needed (the previous buried /Desc page is obsolete; no need for new editors to dig around and find an otherwise unused page to edit the content).
• The transcluded content contains only the basic description, but then automatically adds a link to the main article.
• The main article contains links to all game-specific articles.

To get everything to work requires a few tricks with <noinclude>...</noinclude> and <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags, but I think even with the tags it's less obscure for most editors than alternatives such as a Tamriel:Factions/Fighters_Guild/Desc subpage and a template just to transclude that subpage. --Nephele^Talk 14:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

{{Tamriel Factions Trail}} doesn't work correctly. You have the letter link as "Tamriel:Tamriel#Factions_(letter)" when it should be "Tamriel:Factions_(lettter)". --Timmeh ^Talk 14:59, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Nevermind, I fixed it. --Timmeh ^Talk 15:04, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Nice catch :) Looks like I've been making that mistake for a few weeks, now, too (on the other Tamriel trails...)! * Nephele sneaks off to fix all her mistakes * --Nephele^Talk 15:12, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Problem, many of the the templates that Uniblab used to do most of the Tamriel:Factions pages are rather annoying. Most haven't been made for Oblivion and Morrowind. I am really hesitant to just delete these peoples' work, but I think they are too game specific and rather annoying. Any suggestions? If not, I'd prefer that all of the templates for them be deleted, as I can't get any more information out of them. --Timmeh ^Talk 22:46, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Category:Faction_Data_Pages These are all of the pages that are used for infomation for the Tamriel: Factions Pages that I think need to be deleted. Why you may ask? For one, the Tamriel section is supposed to be an encyclopedia of information about the Tamriel Region. It is not supposed to be game-specific. Tables are not the way to have an enlightening article about a faction (almost all of the pages shown are tables, with the exclusion of the Faction Descriptions, and ones made for Morrowind info and Oblivion info). Faction Politics is a good idea, but the tables give too game specific descriptions. If one wants to know the allies and enemies of a guild in a certain game, then they should look in the game's namespace. The "Faction Training List", only is applicable to Daggerfall. In both Morrowind and Oblivion, non-faction npc's offer training, whereas in Daggerfall, you had to go to a guild to get training. Whether you were in the guild didn't matter. Of course, this is WAY too game specific. All the information is on the correct faction page under the Daggerfall namespace. The "faction benefits list" is almost only applicable to Daggerfall. In Morrowind, only a couple of benefits weren't available till a higher level. In Oblivion, the only benefits I can remember are being able to get into the arcane university and Guildmaster Benefits. "Required Skills" aren't in Oblivion. In Morrowind and Daggerfall, they are important, but not to the Tamriel namespaced pages, as they are too game specific.

I hope that cleared up any thing. If you wish to help, view the Lore:Fighters Guild to see what I want in the Tamriel:Factions pages. --Timmeh ^Talk 19:38, 3 December 2007 (EST)