Skyrim talk:Thalmor/Archive 1

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Pick the wrong choices?

I've had experiences with wandering Justicars where no matter what I said to them, they didn't believe me and attacked me immediately. All of the dialogue options led to this confrontation. "I worship Talos!" *attack!* "I don't worship Talos" - "You're lying! *attack!*" "Whatever" "You look like a heretic to me *attack!*" It's possible that it's because my character is Dunmer... but I kinda doubt it. Aresvallis 00:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Even on my altmer, every response has led to an attack. 72.179.51.26 18:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

They seem to attack me on sight, although I have completed the main quest, so I think that they are always hostile or they always attack no matter what response is given.RIM 20:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It might depend on faction disposition or whether they're escorting a prisoner. When I first started encountering Justiciars they didn't attack me on sight unless I got too close for too long. I think I talked to a male altmer and he let me go, but that was very early in my game and the first time I tried talking to a Justiciar. They were escorting a prisoner. I've seen groups of one or two alone, as well. Aresvallis 05:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure if they ask if you have something confess, then every choice leads to hostility. Even "[Remain Silent]" leads to this. — Unsigned comment by 94.15.66.100 (talk) at 18:44 on 4 December 2011

I was attacked on sight too, around level 15, when I hadn't even advanced much in the main quest. Maybe it was because I had activated Talos's shrine in Whiterun (and still had the blessing). Rowena 15:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

(←) My personal theory is that the Justicar can tell what shrine you were most recently blessed at. I used to use the Talos Shrine in Whiterun to remove disease and get whatever benefits the blessing gives. The Justicars didn't like me. After I stopped using that Shrine, they don't seem to have a problem with me. Could also have to do with the Amulet of Talos. - Brongar98.163.4.39 03:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

The "wrong choices" dialogue only comes up if you decide to provoke the Justiciar by talking to him again after he tells you to get out of his way (all choices will have them attack you regardless). In the first set of dialogue, he or she is pretty much giving you a warning to get lost, before the second set will pretty much have his/her group attack you.

It's probably because of the execution order trigger that makes them hostile all of the sudden. I have blessed myself at a Talos shrine, but the Thalmor still remained passive regardless, even when I had the amulet of Talos on. This could be a bug if it does happen. — Unsigned comment by 130.157.32.235 (talk) at 05:15 on 2 March 2012

It has nothing to do with shrines, factions, or any of that. It's triggered solely by talking to him/her a second time after being told to leave. My theory is that they're just using the power and freedom given to them by the WGC to do whatever the hell they want... such as killing you for being a "heretic" when all you've done is annoy them a little bit. Felindre 17:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Execution Order

ive got the execution order around lvl 20, picking side with the empire and not the stormcloaks — Unsigned comment by 213.10.153.27 (talk) at 16:27 on 4 December 2011

Same here, except I hadn't even chosen a side yet. 71.165.198.149 20:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you killed any Thalmor, or been attacked by them? — Unsigned comment by 94.15.66.100 (talk) at 17:13 on 7 December 2011

I'm level 58, and have killed Thalmor at Northwatch Keep and Thalmor Embassy. Haven't gotten the execution order yet. Unless you mean that female Khajiit in Riften. I did initially choose the stormcloaks, though. then switched to the empire in the Jagged Crown quest. ForsakenOne 15:44, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I got the execution order right now at level 30 and 3 Thalmor just attacked me too for no reason. I haven't sided with anyone yet and I haven't even spoken to a Thalmor before. As I was wandering I spotted a few skeletons and started to attack them, and while in the middle of fighting them the Thalmor came out of nowhere and began fighting me, not even letting me talk. — Unsigned comment by 98.15.131.38 (talk) at 05:10 on 7 January 2012

Level 13 Argonian. Never interacted with the Thalmor before. Never left the starting area between Riverwood, Whiterun, Falkreath, and Hunters Rest (i.e. the area around Lake Ilinalta). Never did ANY of the Dragonborn quest, didn't even talk to Gerdur in Riverwood. In fact, I've done almost no quests at all, and the only dungeons I have been in are Moss Mother and Embershard. I did kill Anise after she attacked me when I went in her basement. Otherwise I have gathered, mined, hunted animals, killed bandits that attacked me, killed the old orc who randomly spawned wanting honorable death. Despite all this, I was attacked by a group of 3 Thalmor near Hunter's Rest with an execution order for disrupting their activities. It almost seems like trying to stay out of things means you're a trouble maker and need to be hunted. There is no good reason for this attack to have triggered. PC version, 8 Jan 2012 — Unsigned comment by 71.58.94.235 (talk) on January 8, 2012 12:51

Just had nearly the exact same thing happen. This appears to be a random encounter, not triggered by any other quest/events.--174.53.152.188 21:46, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

(←) Has anyone accepted the quest in Whiterun where you need to go rescue some Gray-mane's brother from like Northwatch Keep? I'm pretty sure the Thalmor control that so maybe accepting the quest has something to do with them attacking you, I posted here earlier and when I was attacked I had already accepted the quest awhile ago without actually doing it though, just a theory. — Unsigned comment by 98.15.131.38 (talk) at 02:01 on 25 January 2012

I think what it said in the description is incorrect, the thalmor don't even write an execution order even after the completion of diplomatic immunity (possibly bug but unknown); actully I don't believe there's an actual trigger here, I've played the game several times but the execution order seems to occur at random events, probably depending on your level. In one game, I didn't even start the horn of jurgen wind-called quest or kill any of their soldiers but the thalmor attacked me anyways (at level 35) and remained passive in one game despite completing diplomatic immunity, missing in action, and even intentionally slaughtering wherever they are (but I was level 28) — Unsigned comment by DelosFandas (talk • contribs) at 03:38 on 25 January 2012

I thought the execution order was a result of you siding with the Alik'r in the In My Time Of Need quest? --Gaebrial 10:32, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

No, it seems to be either completely random or based on some unknown trigger just like the random Dark Brotherhood assassins. I've had some of my characters attacked by the Thalmor for no discernable reason, and others never see them despite killing a couple dozen Thalmor in the Embassy and the Grey-Mane rescue mission. I even made a return trip to the Embassy to clean out the barracks with my 2H Nord and at level 40 he's still never seen them (or the DB assassins for that matter). Very strange.— Unsigned comment by 206.76.160.254 (talk) at 16:48 on 8 February 2012

i think it happens after you complete college questline, read the contract in their inventory it should say the reason :) — Unsigned comment by 94.2.1.59 (talk) at 17:37 on 11 February 2012

It will not tell you, maybe the creation kit tells the code that activates the script, that tells the Thalmor agents to spawn.--Br3admax 17:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) I haven't done any quest lines, and I still got attacked. The only real quest I've done is Dragon Rising, the first main quest. I'm wearing full Imperial armor and have wiped out one of the Stormcloak encampments. There's absolutely NO reason for them to have attacked me, but they have. Lord Irvine 14:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

It's a random encounter, so there is no "reason" that it happens. ABCface^◥ 04:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Disappearances

Do the Thalmor disappear after a certain quest? — Unsigned comment by 94.15.66.100 (talk) at 18:41 on 4 December 2011

No. Narzul 15:18, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen ANY since I finished the imperial quest shortly after finishing the main quest : S 110.21.125.241 14:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I finished the Legion quest just after finishing the main quest, Tullius said something about an alliance with the Thalmor, and I haven't seen any since then... --119.12.165.6 04:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Technically speaking, the only groups of Thalmor that do disappear are the ones in Markarth in Understone keep (ONLY if you decide to hand over the city during peace negotiations or if you complete the stormcloaks) --130.157.32.235 05:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Imperials and the Thalmor

I think there is something mysterious going on between the Imperials and the Thalmor. Imperials seems reluctant to talk about them. For example asking Legate Rikke her opinion on the Thalmor she snaps: "This conversation is over." Might be the subject of a future DLC? — Unsigned comment by 128.32.99.173 (talk) at 21:14 on 6 December 2011

It's probably because the Imperials hate the Thalmor just as much as the Nords, although they try not to say it. In fact. if you go to one of the imperial camps and talk to the Legate there, they will say that only the Empire can defeat the Thalmor. — Unsigned comment by 94.15.66.100 (talk) at 17:11 on 7 December 2011

The imperials were strongarmed into the white-gold concordat. They don't like the ban on talos worship anymore than the stormcloaks do. However, they realize the reality of the situation, and are simply trying to buy time to regroup. Definitely a possible plot thread for a DLC or even a future TES game. The only thing I ask is that this happens in-game SOMEWHERE, and is not just explained in some novel. — Unsigned comment by 108.58.187.122 (talk) at 20:42 on 13 January 2012

An uprising by the Empire to overthrow the Dominion would make for an excellent TES: VI, I think. Either way, I hope that Bethesda decides to have more in-game explanations of all the ways that the Thalmor have been manipulating the Empire in order to break it apart, like what they did to get the Stormcloak Rebellion started in Skyrim. Felindre 17:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Please take any further discussion about this to the forums. Vely^►t►e 17:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Location???

i want to find a set of Glass armor for my collection and i heard that these guys wear it.anybody knows whats the best place to find them??? — Unsigned comment by Misusel (talk • contribs) at 11:21 on 11 December 2011

I have never heard of the Thalmor wearing anything other than Elven, although the best location to find the Thalmor is Northwatch Keep, or the road between Solitude and Markarth. — Unsigned comment by SheogorathMadness (talk • contribs) at 19:52 on 11 December 2011

A few of them wear glass armor, but only at very high levels. Crafting one yourself might be safer. — Unsigned comment by 82.243.194.53 (talk) at 22:05 on 16 December 2011

Disappointment

It's sad that despite their claim to fight in the name of 'mer supremacy' only altmers are part of the Thalmor in the game(and apparently, even in the lore). It would've been nice to see different races, but it just looks like a mix between inquisitors and nazis. 82.243.194.53 22:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

That's more for the forums.Br3admax 15:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Do they care if you wear an Omelette of Talos?

What about if you wear the omelette and you have no clothing item (making it easier for them to see it)? Do they get offended? "I know you want to attack but wait, I'm just going to put my armour back on....(45 minutes later)...there, okay now go!" — Unsigned comment by Literat (talk • contribs) at 05:02 on 22 December 2011

They might forgive you if you serve them some omelette au fromage :)) (sorry, I just had to say that) Rowena 19:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. My player wears the bare-chested fur armor. I can clearly see the amulet of Talos i wear and the Thalmor don't react to it. ForsakenOne 15:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

They don't attack. Tested it with two characters, equipped and not equipped but in inventory. --DelosFandas 03:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thalmor v. Stormcloaks

Anyone else seen the groups of Stormcloaks engaging groups of Thalmor? I encountered one down near Falkreath. I was the only survivor, but while I got a bounty message, I then had another message after I finished off the last Thalmor that flashed past too fast for me to see it. No bounty at the end though. Hard to say why. Triaxx2 08:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

The reason you got no bounty and the message you missed was probably "Last Witness Killed: xxx Bounty Removed" — Unsigned comment by 205.144.216.254 (talk) at 19:33 on 28 December 2011

last witness killed removes the bounty — Unsigned comment by 89.155.14.254 (talk) at 03:39 on 29 December 2011

Thalmor and Sneaking

I'm under the impression that Thalmor have some sort of radar or heat vision, as they tend to notice me muffled, (sometimes invisible) with 100 sneak and a full sneak perk tree from behind, in the dark, and from a good distance away. Compare this to other leveled enemies, who I can sneak right up behind or on the flanks without any trouble (muffled, NOT invisisble, full sneak, in moderate light). Has anyone else encountered something similar? It should be mentioned if there's some truth to this. — Unsigned comment by MadocComadrin (talk • contribs) at 13:30 on 30 December 2011

Now that you mention it, Northwatch Keep and Thalmor embassy have been the top two places where my sneaking barely works. My sneak was at around 74 at the time, with the one rank of the first perk. Everywhere else it works fine. At those two places, if they have line of sight on me, I soon get spotted. In other places and with other enemies, I can get almost near enough to sneak attack with an axe.ForsakenOne 16:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, I haven't visited their tower (And will now be doing so to double-check tomarrow if I remember) but on their wandering patrolls I was able to backstab one of them before being noticed, 4/5 Stealth and Dark Brotherhood Boots (muffled and silence being the revelence here). Roleplayer242621 01:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Joining the Thalmor

Is there anyway (short of using console commands on the PC) that a player can join the Thalmor? I know that donning the hooded Thalmor robes while in the Thalmor Embasy will cause them to mistake you for a Thalmor (as an Altmer that is), but is there any way to actually join the faction? So far my attempts have not been successful. Voraxith 01:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

No known way is available. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 01:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

do you ever get to fight the thalmor themselves.. i joined the stormcloacks cause they hate them, hoping theyd start a war witht the thalmor .. flynn.33@hotmail.co.uk ..... e mail me if you kno .. thanks — Unsigned comment by 86.44.146.173 (talk) at 18:37 on 13 January 2012

You mean like an entire regiment of the Thalmor or the Aldmeri Dominion itself? No, but you can either ambush small groups of them (if you know where they are), destroy them in their territories (their embassy or Northwatch keep), or kill them whenever you see them. --130.157.32.235 05:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Justiciar or Justicar?

Are the NPCs called 'Thalmor Justiciar' or 'Thalmor Justicar'? This has been changed and changed back in recent days. The links (such as the link to the Execution Order) all use 'Justiciar', so I've changed all remaining instances of 'Justicar' on this page. --Gaebrial 07:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

In-game, the NPC is a Justiciar. I'm pretty sure it's spelled properly in other places, but I don't have the CK open right now to check what those places might be. :) (And on my machine, opening the CK and loading Skyrim.esm takes a few minutes.) – Robin Hood↝talk 07:50, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

From a scan of all three game string files, the score is.... "Justiciar": 16; "Justicar": 0. So Justicar looks like it's simply an editor mistake and should never be used. --Nephele^Talk 07:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Thalmor and Stormcloaks

This is a weird experience for me.When i was at Hunter's Rest,i saw Thalmor Justiciars and Stormcloak Soldiers walking together like allies.They do not attack each other although being enemies.One of the Thalmor was using Glass armor. — Unsigned comment by 116.89.120.10 (talk) at 04:35 on 14 May 2012

Captain Valmir

Should he be added to the list of notable thalmor members? Vos 07:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep, probably, even if he is kinda an undercover agent. Feel free to add him. Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 07:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Random Thalmor attack

Hey, how's it hanging? Well, now I've been having problems with these cantankerous little swines. I have befriended Ondolemar, I have never done any quest involving Elenwen, I have not done Captain Valmir's quest and I have only ever spoken to Ancano once, and that was scripted and for some reason these irritating pompous guys keep on attacking me! Why oh why? — Unsigned comment by 109.157.147.77 (talk) at 10:11 on July 25, 2012

It appears that these encounters are scripted, and your actions in-game have no effect on their occurrance. It seems that the Thalmor are intended to be a "bad guy", no matter what path you choose in the game. --Xyzzy^Talk 14:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

The Thalmor Since Dawnguard

I started a new character prior to Dawnguard and he was attacked constantly by the Thalmor starting at Level 5 (as was my previous character) up until Dawnguard became available. I completed "Diplomatic Imunnity" and "Season Unending" after installing Dawnguard, but I have only seen one Thalmor patrol in that time. Have the Thalmor been been put on hold as a part of Dawnguard? I would also add that the Dark Brotherhood also stopped assailing me after I brought Serana to her father. ( I went the vampire hunter route) (Magskall 00:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC))

No, these are random events that are not affected by your interactions with others. Vely^►t►e 01:11, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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