Skyrim talk:Guild Halls

Additionally

The Blades? The Greybeards? The Nightingales? --timrem 11:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add them. elliot (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

DG tags

The DG tags beside {{Place Link|Fort Dawnguard}} and {{Place Link|Castle Volkihar}} are kinda bugging me, because they're placed beside the map links due to the transclusions, instead of beside the place names. I don't know about the rest of you, but this makes it a little... weird? unappealing?.. to look at? xD

I had the DG tags removed, but someone went to undo the edit. I believe it is already understood that the places under the two headings—which already have DG tags—are also from the plug-in. Can we reach an agreement to remove them? ~ Psylocke 16:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

They are awkwardly placed, but I think they should be there, because not all DG-involved places are added by it (such as Hall of the Vigilants). I don't know how it happened with previous add-ons to games, but I think it should be added to clarify. Vely^►t►e 19:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

To come clean, it was me who reverted back to having them, I wasn't logged in. Obviously since I added them I agree with having them, but agree that they are awkwardly placed. Silencer^Speak 19:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and replaced the Place Link transclusions with regular formatting. Does this work as a decent compromise? Oh, and I left the redundant link to the Dawnguard faction intentionally because the rest of the page keeps them due to the Place Links (it seemed better for consistency on the page). ABCface^◥ 21:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Silencer^Speak 21:54, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Hm, but this completely defeats the purpose of the place link template - unfortunately I can't think of an easy solution to this. Maybe change the templates; Quest Link has a similar problem - see here. --Alfwyn (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2013 (GMT)

I don't know anything about editing templates, but adding an optional |mod= parameter to those templates could be useful if it's possible to do. — ABCface^◥ 16:54, 21 January 2013 (GMT)

The word "guild."

Why do we call them guild halls? There are three guilds in Oblivion, but the only guild in Skyrim is the Thieves' Guild. No other organization is referred to in the game as a guild. --Morrolan (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

Ignoring the historical confirmation of the Dark Brotherhood as a guild for one moment, there are two reasons for using the term guild. One, it is a universally accepted term for these organisations in games, and two, they are guilds by the meaning of the word, though they extend their influence beyond the town they are located in. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:56, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

"Guild" is synonymous with "clan" in a lot of games. I wouldn't suggest calling them clans either. If you're going to rely on the dictionary definition of the word, then a guild is a mercantile organization, like the Screen Actors Guild or the medieval Freemasons. You could loosely define the Companions, the Bards College and the Dark Brotherhood as guilds in that sense, because they do perform services to the public for a fee, but the College of Winterhold doesn't and neither do the Dawnguard or the Volkihar. --Morrolan (talk) 15:42, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

Fine, yes I am using a somewhat loose definition of the dictionary definition (which is preferable to a made up definition), but unless you have a serious suggestion as to what else to call them there is nothing to discuss. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:15, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

Actually Silencer, you're right. Here are the definitions of "guild" from Merriam-Webster and Oxford. Technically, both of you are correct. In this wiki however, we are using Silencer's definition (i.e. an organized group of people who have joined together because they share the same job or interest), not Morrolan's (simply because it's referring to our real life Medieval Age, not Skyrim :)). We should just leave this as it is across the wiki, unless, as Silencer has pointed out, there is a better suggestion. ~ Psylocke 16:26, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

(←) I'm just using the game's definition. The game itself refers to the Thieves Guild as a guild, but not any of the others. I thought the intent was to document the games themselves here. A simple term for what appears on this page is "headquarters". --Morrolan (talk) 16:32, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

I would prefer to be internally consistent with Morrowind and Oblivion then change the name of this page because the factions are just slightly different in some instances. I am alright for a redirect from Headquarters, but a page move isn't justifiable enough. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 16:39, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

And what about the Thalmor Headquarters the Black Briar Meadery, and Castle Dour? They could both be described as headquarters. I think the players will probably understand what we mean. The only reason this is even being brought up is because the developers decided to give the fighters and mages guild more original names in Skyrim, even though they serve pretty much the exact same purpose. Also, somewhat ironically, the only faction that has the word "headquarters" in the game data is the thieves guild --AN|L (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

There is no in-game definition of the Companions for example, so we must use define them ourselves, and there is nothing wrong with using real-life definitions in the absence of an in-game definition. They are all guilds to an extent. There is actually a guild definition for all the non-DLC locations of LocTypeGuild (excluding the Brotherhood). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:47, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

Alright, I wasn't aware that somehow House Telvanni was considered to be a guild (the Houses are listed in the Morrowind guild halls). If that's the definition we're using, then we should probably add Dragonborn:Tel Mithryn (tower) to the list. Castle Dour is the headquarters of the Imperial Legion, and as it's where you go to join the Imperial Legion it's more or less equivalent to Morrowind:Fort Darius which is listed on the Morrowind page as a guild hall. --Morrolan (talk) 17:00, 6 October 2013 (GMT)