Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 10

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I highly doubt this is a connection to Assassins Creed. It must just be a coincidence and the beams look like that to make you jump as they look like that in Assassins Creed. If it was a reference surely they would of put hay instead of a pool, or an eagle on the edge of the board or even the sound of an eagle as you jump down. This is not an easter egg for if it was it would be far more obvious, not just some planks of wood. To back up my claim look at the sword in the stone reference, where there is a sword in the stone by design which is obviously an easter egg. I think it should be removed from the article! --SamGhadiali 11:30, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

While it's ok to disagree with this as an Easter egg, it's certainly not ok to remove it from the page without consensus or other users' input. Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 11:46, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry wasn't sure on the protocol, still is Dawnguard fact mode. However I feel my logic is pretty sound on this. I wrote another essay about it in all the confusion.

I read the reasoning behind placing it on the page, that it looks similar to Assassing Creed, however this is not an easter egg! An easter egg is something placed in by developers in reference to another piece of work or story. In Skyrim easter eggs are obvious when you know what you're looking at, for example a reference to King Arthur would be the sword and the stone placed in that specific way by the developers.

So the logic that some piece's of wood and a jump are connected to Assassins Creed is highly flawed. This is coincidence at best for the wooden planks are there to indicate the player to jump as it is in Assassins Creed. If it was in fact a reference then it would have included an eagle perched on the edge of the plank, the eagle sound or a hay bale at the bottom of your fall. Neither of these are true and rather than an easter egg to another game I think it is it's own story related to the bard's and how they like to leap from this summit. Therefore I have deleted it from the article. --SamGhadiali 11:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

The ledge provides a view of a large area, no? Like the viewpoints in the AC series? I think it has some credibility. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 13:10, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Coincidence again. If it were intended to be an easter egg would there not be eagles flying around or even have the jump in a city instead? Again I must stress that I really think this was just a seperate story that give's reference to the Bard's and what they are like and has nothing to do with Assassins Creed. --SamGhadiali 13:15, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Could be coincidence, but I see at least some relation. The viewpoint makes me think it is a reference. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 13:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Either way, you can't add or remove things from the page without consensus. For the record, I've thought all along that it's too shaky a connection to make, but unless more people agree with us, it unfortunately has to stay. ThuumofReason 13:21, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I thought the purpose of a wiki was evidence not consensus? There is concrete merit to nearly all of the other easter eggs with personal things put in places to purposely reference that. Babette in the Dark Brotherhood, named after a character from Interview with the Vampire and has the appearence of the little girl they keep. That is certain easter egg and solid enough proof.

Using the logic that it's a reference to Assassins Creed is like saying Blackreach is a reference to the Mines of Moria due to a ferocious type beast laying in the dark and the falmer refrencing goblins. It may be similiar but its certainly not an easter egg. --SamGhadiali 13:27, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I hate to break this to you, but this isn't Wikipedia. You should probably read this. ThuumofReason 13:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Bugger... still though it shouldn't be there. I mean you have to climb the buildings in Assassins Creed, this is aqueduct that you walk up whilst butchering Forsworn. You walk to the edge and take in the area, then jump just to see if you could live. In Assassins Creed it's a way to get down. Am I making sense to anybody? --SamGhadiali 13:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

It's not that you're not making sense, it's just that before it can be removed, more people have to post here saying they agree with the removal. Personally, I agree with you, but there are a bunch of other people who supported its inclusion, as evidenced by the current and past discussions on it. Unless several more users post here saying they agree that this should be removed from the page, there's really nothing that can be done about it. ThuumofReason 15:20, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I've made my statement for now so I'll leave it to see if anybody else agree's. Thankyou for saying I made sense I was worried I was caught in my own circles. Maybe in time people will know that an easter egg is something the developers intended, not just something similar. --SamGhadiali 15:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

<It's just a jump to the left> Well, not having played the AC series, the arguments against inclusion of this seem stronger to me than the ones for. --Ulkomaalainen 01:45, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Here [[1]] is a link from the original discusion from AC, and [here] is a screenshot I took from Bard's Leap Summit from approximately the same angle. There is a fair amount of similarity between the 2 structures, but not enough for me to say "Yes they are totally the same!" If we are re-opening this discussion, I would have to vote no. Simply having vaguely similar structures you can jump off of isn't enough. To be honest though, I never played Assassin's Creed, which may shade my opinion. --Xyzzy 20:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Exactly my point. I've played every assassin's creed game and I would never associate the two. It's one of the many stories unique to Skyrim and has nothing to do with the game. How many people need to agree with me before it actually gets deleted? --SamGhadiali 08:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

The planks in those screenshots barely resemble each other. If that's really all there is going for the reference... Huh. Weroj^{Talk Contribs} 02:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Nobody else has come out in support of this in the month it's been on the table, so I'm going to go ahead and remove it. We can always bring it up for discussion again if anybody is opposed. ThuumofReason 13:33, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

In all honesty, if we are talking about a very similar wooden structure that invites you to take a death defying leap, then it could quite well be a reference. Why would the devs use such a structure and not a stone outcrop? Sure they could have made it identical to AC, but an easter egg isn't meant to be an exact duplicate of what it is referencing. I admit I haven't been there yet, but it isn't a huge leap, (geddit!), to see this could be a reference. The platform looks awfully specific in its shape, and maybe you die jumping from it, (which is what would happen in AC when using most of those jumps), but that's part of the gag. 58.7.80.189 23:26, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Madanach and the King in Yellow

Even to me this seems a bit of a stretch, but Madanach, aka the king in rags, bears similarity to the famous horror icon The King in Yellow. His position in Cidhna Mine, that of being an old man at a desk at the head of a conspiracy/order, writing out notes to subordinates, resembles that of the old man in R W Chambers "The Repairer of Reputations. As said before, he is also referred to as the King in Rags at one point, which seems to allude to The Lords of Dus series, wherein the antagonist is the King in Yellow whom is also known as the king in rags. Furthermore, the Forsworn, as I understand it, worship the old gods which are forgotten to most. This is very similar to The Lords of Dus King, whom remembers the old ways ang magics because he is roughly ten thousand years old. Another thing is why they are both labelled kings. Madanach was the ruler of a small kingdom for a couple years, and the King in Yellow was the King of the ancient kingdom of Carcosa and Hastur. — Unsigned comment by 74.198.9.170 (talk) at 21:42 on 8 July 2012

Yeah...I don't think so. ThuumofReason 20:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Care to expand on your reasoning,ThuumofReason?Kaelorn 01:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure. If even the OP thinks it's a stretch, that's not a good start. A conspirator writing orders to his subordinates is not a unique thing, nor is sitting at a desk. I think these are a bunch of coincidences rather than an intentional reference. ThuumofReason 10:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Even taking into consideration the fact that The King in Yellow, which was actually a short story by Ambrose Bierce in 1892 and then the theme was continued by R W Chambers whom in turn inspired Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos, has been a, if not major, prevalent theme and inspiration in the horror genre? Especially when you take into account the programmers and developers, whom, I assume, were Dungeons and Dragons 2nd or 3rd edition players, and if not D&D, perhaps other such RPG's, which often borrowed from the fantasy/horror genre for source material (for example, Chaosium uses The King of Yellow for several modules). Even if that isn't enough to persuade, would not three or four coincidences in the same quest/storyline not indicate a nod? Perhaps even when you notice the colour of the rags, you'll notice that they are yellow in hue, which, sarcasm aside, is grasping at air. Kaelorn 23:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it all sounds wonderfully vague, and could apply to many other stories.— Unsigned comment by 58.7.80.189 (talk) at 03:30 on 9 September 2012‎

Ragnar the Red

• The song Ragnar the Red refers to a character who is likely a reference to the game Rune. The game's hero is named Ragnar and when playing multiplayer the player's default character is Ragnar with the default team being red. Additionally, Ragnar wears a helmet in the game that looks identical to the iron helmet that Dovahkin wears in the Skyrim trailers.

One of the anons keeps trying to add this to the article itself, rather than on the talk page, so I am moving it here for discussion. Personally, I find a character to be named "Ragnar" a coincidence. In fact, in the game I am playing right now, Mount&Blade: Warband, there is a King Ragnar in it, so it is not a name unique to this "Rune" game. As for the player color being red, I am skeptical about that being a reference as well. Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 21:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The name Ragnar in all three probably stems from an ancient king of Sweden from the eighth or ninth century. The fact that it the name is part of a song would indicate to me that it is a reference to him, as he helped to reshape Old Norse poetry (see article). Ragnar Lodbrok Kaelorn 21:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Could there be any validity to the similarity of the helmet?Kishgla 21:20, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The horned helmet isn't unique to the games either. It's a real life style of helmet worn in that time period. Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 21:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a name. That's it. ThuumofReason 22:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The name could also be a reference to the DC comics character of the same name, whom becomes a red lantern. Anonymous — Unsigned comment by 50.81.65.155 (talk) at 20:35 on 2 September 2012

Vampires and boots

Just a suggestion; I've noticed that there are many pairs of boots next to Morvath's bed, and I've also found a good number of them in Shriekwind Bastion, which is partly populated by vampires. Could that be a reference to something? Elakyn 20:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

What could it be a reference to? What are you suggesting? ThuumofReason 20:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Consider that it's Skyrim and it's cold, you've got to wear boots if you're walking around. If a vampire's to blend in, they need boots. If they make their prisoners walk, they need boots so the prisoners don't freeze to death. Boots wear down quickly if you're always wearing them, making extra pairs useful. And, if you kill lots of people, you tend to have clothes left over. I know that, in Movarth's Lair at least, there's a pile of dead bodies somewhere. I don't think it nee to be a reference, there's any number of explanations. Vely^►t►e 21:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC

Using that logic, why aren't there more places with stacks of boot all lined up on shelves? I didn't pick it as an egg, but it seemed an oddity that one of the vampire lairs had a shelf full of boots. I didn't think it said any more than that vampire liked boots, but for all I know there may be a character out there that fits the bill. 58.7.80.189 23:43, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Opeth References in Bannered Mare?

In the Bannered Mare is a bard named Mikael and also in the tavern is the start of the quest "In my time of need". Mikael Akerfeldt is the lead singer/song writer of Opeth and one of their songs is titled "In my time of need". Obviously this could be coincidence but there could be more I haven't spotted. So if anyone notices another possible reference then mention it here and we can maybe confirm this. 50.72.72.68 12:50, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Its just a coincidence as In My Time of Need can start in any inn in Skyrim. The Silencer (talk) 13:49, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Saadia's in the tavern, though, so it's a focus of the quest. Vely^►t►e 13:56, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

I vote that this is legit. "In My Time of Need" is not a common English phrase. In addition, there's already a conformed Swedish metal easter egg in the game, suggesting that one of the devs has an interest in it.--Anil (talk) 15:38, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

Eh...I dunno. Maybe if Mikael was related to the quest, it would be a reference, but as it is now...eh. If you can provide another convincing connection, I might be more convinced. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

Breaking Bad and Balmora Blue

Is is possible that Balmora Blue, a super-potent variety of skooma, is a reference to the Walter White's blue crystal meth in Breaking Bad? It's been a while since I did the mission, but the Balmora Blue is held on a ship called the Red Wave, while WW produced his meth (up to the point of the game's release)in a red laboratory. I'm going to run through the mission again and see if I can pull out some more references.

And while it's not directly related, there is a direct BB reference in Rage, another Bethesda product.— Unsigned comment by ‎ 72.171.0.145 (talk) at 19:01 on 6 September 2012

Actually, the Balmora Blue is locked in a chest under the docks, though the owner of the chest is indeed a crew member of said ship. I'll wait for you to finish making your case before voicing a stance on this. ThuumofReason (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

It's been a few days without a reply, so I figured I'd post again and say that while I'm not overly familiar with Breaking Bad, I'm inclined to call this a coincidence as it stands now. Usually, we don't include suggestions unless something in the game makes it obvious that it's referring specifically to one thing. If you can come up with anything more concrete than similar circumstances, I would be fine with including this on the page. ThuumofReason (talk) 11:55, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Both of the color similarities listed by the OP look like coincidences to me. I'm familiar with Breaking Bad, and I don't see any connection. --Xyzzy ^Talk 12:19, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I was going to run through the mission again once I checked out Hearthfire, but I just can't get back into the game. I did recall mention of a red wave and giants in Leaves of Grass (96. Sleepers), the book of poetry Gale gifts to WW in BB, but there's no way the writers could have intended such an obscure literary reference. You're probably correct that the color symbolism, the rarity and potency of the product, the similarity of name, the destruction of the manufacturing centers (unless I'm wrong in remembering that Balmora was destroyed after the Oblivion crisis), the fact that Sloads are (were) from the area Southwest of Tamriel, the fact that a normally white product (moon sugar) has been converted into something blue, that a Bethesda product was prominently featured in a couple of episodes, and the close proximity of airing date for the episodes in the red lab and the release date for the game are all simply coincidences. — Unsigned comment by 72.171.0.138 (talk) at 09:48 on September 10, 2012

Frost and Loki

It's noted in the article about Frost the horse that his lineage papers list his sire and grandsire but not his mother. I think it might be a reference to Loki in Norse mythology, who turns himself into a female horse and gives birth the eight-legged horse Sleipnir. --173.69.173.175 12:25, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Sounds like pure speculation. Do you have any evidence of this? --Xyzzy ^Talk 12:36, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

I doubt it, as the sire may just be considered more important than the mother, having the more desirable traits. Vely^►t►e 12:38, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

There's no direct evidence, only some circumstantial stuff (the Norse theme of Skyrim, the lack of dame listing which is noted as "strange" on Frost's page, the use of the name Sleipnir which is Loki's child and also one of the ancestors of Frost). The developers prolly just used the name Sleipnir because it's the name of a hose from Norse mythology.--Anil (talk) 13:11, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

This is, as Xyzzy says, speculation. ThuumofReason (talk) 16:09, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

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