Online talk:Olyve's Brewery

Glenumbra

Can be found in Glenumbra too - between Par Molag and Cryptwatch Fort just west of Crosswych. 80.170.140.19 22:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I expected as much; we'll need images of the two other locations when the event goes live. —Legoless (talk) 23:06, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Does it exist in-game already? Or is it only there when the event is active? --Enodoc (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if it existed pre-event, although it's probable that it appeared when Update 11 hit. The entrances are still there now that the event has ended. —Legoless (talk) 14:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, never mind. That's one before/after set that we won't be getting then (although it probably doesn't matter). --Enodoc (talk) 13:01, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Stonefalls

The Map link for the Stonefalls location points off the map entirely. No idea how to fix this. Can someone else? — Unsigned comment by Chrisw63 (talk • contribs) at 20:14 on 28 October 2021‎

Fixed Jeancey (talk) 20:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Split

I am proposing actually that this page be renamed to "Olyve's Brewery (event)," that a disambiguation page be created called "Olyve's Brewery," and that a "split" of this page would actually come in the form of three new pages to add "(Auridon)," "(Glenumbra)," and "(Stonefalls)" to the end of "Olyve's Brewery" to make it align with all the other Event Hub pages, like Whitestrake's Mayhem, Jester's Festival, etc., etc. Solomon1972 (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I oppose this alignment with the other Event Hub pages. In my opinion, having individual pages for what are essentially identical service stations is unnecessary, which is why we previously went with an unlinked redirect model by making use of {{Description}}. Compare Online:The Script & Stein. I don't think having so many standalone pages is a good approach, and I don't think our documentation of this event location will be improved by splitting it.

Olyve's Brewery takes the absurdity of this one step further. The cave entrances in Auridon, Glenumra, and Stonefalls do not need separate pages. In fact, I would argue they don't need pages at all. From my point of view, those three places were combined into one unzoned page for very good reasons: they all lead to the exact same interior, which in turn leads to the instanced Garden of Shadows. Compare this to Online:The Harborage (place). The combined page has worked well for the last 8 years.

The original approach, which turned Online:Olyve's Brewery into a disambig linking to three identical pages, resulted in a triplication of content and therefore a triplication of effort to maintain it. Sometimes this can't be avoided (such as with the Blackwood Event Exchange, which requires its own People list), but in this case I can't see any need for a split.

If you're dead set on having nice Place Links with working maplinks to use on Online:Event Hubs, I would suggest using redirects and making use of something like {{Description}} or {{Wayshrine Redirect}} to add the desired icon/desc/maplink. That way we can keep the documentation intact and in one place while still having zone-specific "places". —⁠Legoless (talk) 21:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll need your help learning how to do any of those things you're talking about. I, too, dislike having duplicate pages with identical information, and agree that all the extra maintenance is undesirable. Can we get together on Discord chat so you can walk me through a step-by-step? We could make a fake page that doesn't mean anything, use it for training, and then delete the page. Solomon1972 (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Let me check if we have a better template already. —⁠Legoless (talk) 22:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I would perhaps even suggest the opposite. How many of these Event Hubs actually need their own pages? All the Whitestrake's Mayhem pages are identical, most of the Event Exchanges are similar, and even the Jubilee Bakery Barges have more similarities than differences. Only the Jester's Festival has functional differences in each location, and even that is just a difference in what quests are available. Mundus Stones have never had individual pages either, and that works just fine for them. --Enodoc (talk) 22:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm on board with whatever makes the most sense. I was just trying to get the event hubs all standardized, and I see most of them have separate pages for each hub location around Tamriel, so I was trying to do that with Olyve's, etc. If Legoless can teach me how to modify the pages so that there are clear links that work on the map, I'll be thrilled to streamline and reduce future workload by deleting/combining duplicate pages.

Also: If a full-page disambiguation isn't justified, then a top-of-the-page may do just fine. But, just for one example, for the Jester's Festival (thinking ahead to standardization for all event hub scenarios), there's an event page, a quest page, an Auridon hub location (page or not), a Glenumbra hub location (page or not), a Stonefalls hub (page or not), a hat collection, an invitation scroll, a joke popper, and a furnishing. All of those pages start with "Jester's Festival." If a user tries searching "Jester's Festival," they should be pointed straight to a disambiguation page simply called "Jester's Festival," with links pointing them to the "(event)" page, the "(quest)" page, etc. Even if we get rid of (or combine) the event hub location pages, there's enough material there for disambiguation. — Unsigned comment by Solomon1972 (talk • contribs) at 16:40 on 7 August 2024

(←) I've converted Online:Olyve's Brewery (Stonefalls) into an example of how to use the new {{Event Hub Redirect}} template. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)