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armor stats, pc v. xbox.

I just killed Umbra as a level-15, however, the stats on her sword and armor are not as high as listed on this page. The whole suit has a def. of 34 total, not 60, or even 55. Umbra, the sword, has an attack of 24 rather than 28.

Is this a difference between the xbox and PC versions of the game? Or, is there some level-dependent issue here? Thanks.— Unsigned comment by 24.16.206.5 (talk) on 26 January 2010

That the stats shown here are the ones you would get when you have also achieved the mastery in both the armor skill and the blade skill. So, for what you have described I can only assume that your heavy armor skill and blade skill are lower than 100, that's why they display lower values than the ones shown here. --S'drassa ^•T2M 17:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be helpful if something about needing 100 in heavy armor and blade skill in order to get this version of Umbra appeared in this entry? --Alaston 09:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

No. It's true for every single item listed on the wiki. rpeh •T•C•E• 09:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

To get the maximum amount of defense/damage from any armor/weapon you must have 100 in it's respective skill (including 100 str for weapons), otherwise you will only get a percentage of the base value. You can get this armor at any time and it's base defense will always be 55 or 60 depending on your level, but until you raise your heavy armor skill to 100, it will always yield a lower armor value. Raising your heavy armor to 100 after receiving the Umbra Armor will get you the same damage resistance as having it at 100 before you got the armor. And since you had to hit her at least once in order to kill her, her armor is also likely to be damaged, which means the defense will be lower until you repair it as well.

Staff of Flames?

Is that a good staff to use against her? — Unsigned comment by TheImperialBloodBrother (talk • contribs) at 03:03 on 23 May 2010

It depends on what level you are on, and the difficulty your game is set on. --Arch-Mage Matt^Talk 03:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Cursed items?

Would a cursed item like a weightless ring work on umbra if reverse pickpocketed onto her? Yes/No? — Unsigned comment by 120.18.40.13 (talk) at 14:59 on 13 June 2010

Like the Blackwood Ring of Silence? Yes.--^Corevette₇₈₉ 15:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

i was under the impression you cant place objects on a person wile pickpocketing them.. and it cant be levle cuz im lvl 100 sneek and it still wont let me do it.

armor stats(cont.)

Actually, I too just killed Umbra at exactly level 15 in the PC version of the game, and the stats of the armor were not as they were listed on the chart. Regardless of blade skill and armor skill, the amount of gold each piece is worth should not vary. After killing Umbra at level 15, I looted the body and the pieces I received were worth the amount of gold that is listed under the level 1-14 section of the chart, for example the cuirass was still only worth 940 gold rather than 1900 gold. There has to be a difference between the Xbox and PC versions of the game, or maybe there is another prerequisite (in addition to the level requirement of 15) needed to receive the improved version of the armor. Does anyone have any other information about this? --72.94.153.87 05:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Poisened Apple

Would a poisoned apple kill her? I'm not sure if she eats or not.

As noted here, she does not eat or sleep. --^Darkle ~ _Talk 05:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Poisoned weapons with enchantments (both drainstrength with damage health) usually work very well for me. 121.236.167.92 15:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure what that has to do with a poisoned apple? --Brf 15:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Umbra

Would it be worth mentioning that umbra still acts 'controlled' by the sword if you take it from her? — Unsigned comment by 76.21.230.121 (talk) at 07:09 on 5 August 2010

Easy Kill

Hey, I just wanted to share a way to kill Umbra that is relatively painless and requires no weapon/magic skill whatsoever. Play as an Argonian, and do whatever you need to get your speed up to 90-100 or so (since Umbra's pretty fast). Anyways, once you've done this, engage her in combat. Now, all you gotta do is run back to the room you previously went through (a high Acrobatics is helpful as well, if you wish to jump up the rubble next to the wall in the pit shes in to get a head start). Make your way to the room with the poison trap (see where I'm going with this?). Continually run around in a circle, making sure to avoid hitting pillars or walls or ANYTHING that could allow her to get her beastly hands on you. Continue this for a while, and sure enough she will drop dead and Umbra will be yours to do with it what you please =) Paramecium302 03:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh, I could've sworn I saw that around here somewhere...They have something close on the quest page.

"Although there are two traps in Vindasel, they don't offer a really good method to kill her once she's attacking you. One can, however, push her into the poison trap and kill her without ever starting a fight. This is a bit tedious, however, and very difficult for a non-Argonian. If you have the ability, you can paralyze her continuously on the spike trap causing her to ride the falling block down multiple times into the spikes."

If you think you can make it clear it could be added. --DKong27 ^{Talk Cont} 04:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I've killed her a plenty of times with multiple characters, at various levels, with diferent tactics and the one you mention is doable but not easy.

Even if you have 100 speed its hard to avoid getting hit and the gas takes too long to kill her.

From my experience the easiest way is stacking poisons, name each poison differently so they don't overwrite each other. As for safety, just jump on top of the broken pillar.--Wizy 09:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

• There is a much simpler way to kill her. If you notice the fire pit in the middle of the room she is in... you can use this as a barrier between her and yourself. If you practice this a little, it's not particularly difficult to keep her stuck on the opposite side by always facing her and simply strafing around it to keep her on the other side as she moves back and forth. I had expert Conjuration (level 15 character) and summoned 3 Daedroths while strafing, and that's all it took to kill her. I still lost about half my life when I did this (she may get to you once or twice), but I was only wearing Rusty Iron Armor, so I think that's pretty good. This method won't work for a pure melee fighter, but you should have no trouble firing arrows or spells at her over the waist high fire pit instead of conjuring like I did.

Easier kill than most mentioned. I did it at level 8 which probably helped me alittle. I used a sword only for blocking, and used an absorb health spell until she died. It takes awhile, but it works. Good to have a second sword or a shield encase the one you're using breaks. While generally using a low level absorb health spell, I did have to use a couple potions at tough points.

Here's a quick and painless method that guarantees zero health loss, which should be great news for lower level/health characters. Turn the difficulty down to the minimum, then jump up onto the broken pillar and continually blast magic at her from there. Not only is the broken pillar an easy platform to reach, but (most importantly) Umbra can't reach you from here. Moreover, Umbra has a tendency to run in one place against the pillar for a while, giving you ample time to rapidly blast shots at her. Using a regular shock spell, I killed her in a few minutes max and left without a scratch. She made no attempt to heal during the battle: I'm not sure if this was due to the lowered difficulty level or something else. --82.31.164.172 20:21, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Any method that involves lowering the difficulty doesnt really deserve to be mentioned, Lowering the difficulty and using apotheosis would be the best method then. And standing on a pillar leads to Umbra dropping Umbra (haha) through the floor and breaking the quest way too often.--Catmaniac66 01:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

True, lowering the difficulty level to make any given battle easier is a universal truth in this game and therefore doesn't need mentioning in any specific article. But standing on the pillar is one of the best ways to battle Umbra (especially for lower level/health characters) since you can easily avoid her attacks. I hadn't learned until now that a glitch might occur if standing on the pillar, but if that's the case, why not just save before Umbra is almost dead, and reload if the glitch occurs? I doubt it happens often enough to warrant this tip being unuseful. Anyway, it doesn't seem like there are any tips for beating her on this article anyway, so in that case it makes sense to exclude this tip. --82.31.164.172 10:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

heres an idea put the game on easy save the game walk up to her and keep slicing till she drops dead tada

Umbra The Strange

While she is wearing it, her armor is self repairing. I've been able to blast the graves and cuirass off her, but the helmet and gauntlets repair too fast. They quickly reappear. The sword does not get repaired. My Umbra is now equipped with a broken weightless dagger so she looks a little strange. — Unsigned comment by Sniffles (talk • contribs) on 1 December 2010

Sorry but that's simply not true. I don't know where you got that idea. rpeh •T•C•E• 07:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

By the way, armor doesnt fall off when its health is 0 and when i get umbra (person) to drop umbra (sword) she uses her fist, not a weightless dagger. Maybe you (sniffles) used the permanent bound dagger glitch than dropped it beside her. I tried that and she didnt pick it up the first time, but the second time she did. I can't figure out what you mean by "they quickly reappear". I know umbra (both) very well as it was my only way to complete the storyline completely at level 1. If you can give some more info, i would be interested to test it. post here and ill test it. 117.81.176.237 15:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I realize this is a talk page and people can say what ever they want on here, but is it really worth keeping this section here? This guy was clearly just making something up to try to make himself look cool. I didn't want to be the one to remove it because I'm not an administrator or anything, but this seems like a waste of space and peoples time. (98.226.186.30 17:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

1. This isn't a talk page, it's a discussion page. 2. Who are you to judge? 3.You're right, he shouldn't have provided false information. 4. This discussion is like, semi-old. And you respond. Please do not attack people. Shianni 17:16, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice to see you took your own advice and didn't attack anyone. Nice to see we have plenty of trolls here to defend the people who add nonsense to this website.

I'm sorry, but I don't want to stoop to your level, try to respect that, 'kay? And next time, let other users who already handled it, do their jobs? 'kay? Shianni 17:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

1. I was being sarcastic about your not attacking anyone, 'kay? 2. The tab may say discussion, but the heading says "oblivion talk", 'kay? 3. There's a reason this website is a cluttered mess, nobody removes the stuff that makes no sense, 'kay?

Please do not feed the trolls. --AKB Talk 17:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll try not to. KAY? Shianni 17:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Does killing Umbra count as a murder?

like for the Dark Brotherhood? Oblivion nerd 20:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

If you kill her before she attacks you, yes. She acts like every other NPC in the game in that regard.--Catmaniac66 01:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

In Depth Stats

After seeing a recent edit, I began to wonder about the detailed stats we have here for Umbra. I know that we have all kinds of information on how to handle taking her down, but is it really necessary to include all of her stats? BUT on the other hand, maybe it would be nice to see the stats of all unleveled opponents? I say unleveled because looking through the NPCs page, I'm not sure how that would be formatted. It seems like a bit of a double standard to have these listed for just 1 actor. I also want to bring in the creatures as well. Creatures are leveled much differently than NPCs, with different internal attributes. Would it be beneficial to list these as well?

In short, I think that we should either make more of an effort to list skills and attributes, or remove them from places like this where it does not fit the standard. --DKong27 ^{Tk Ctr Em} 02:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Umbra is obviously the exception here just for the sole fact that we have a section on how to deal with her. She's the only level 50 enemy you actually fight. The next highest are level 30s. We could always come up with something for the 30+, but anything more would essentially be overkill. Elliot (talk) 05:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Listing them for Umbra is easy because she's fixed level. Listing them for other NPCs is horrible because of the way stats increase with level - see this page for more info. We'd end up with horrible formulae for all the values, and it really wouldn't be much use. Having said that, however, I had one idea for how we could handle this and Nephele said she was working on another way. It might be worth asking about that, but obviously there are other things further up the priority list right now... rpeh •T•C•E• 16:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

scripts

two of my friends are having a argument, so i was wondering if it could be settled, can you lure umbra out of vindasel (on an unmodded game) before you start the quest, or is she scripted to not leave vindasel? (Eddie The Head 08:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC))

ok, i tested it on my xbox, she does leave, but can anyone check to see if theres a script there? please (Eddie The Head 09:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC))

There's nothing in her script that forces her back to the ruin, but her only AI package causes her to wander around inside. This means she can be lured out, but that anything causing her to pick a new package will cause her to head back again. rpeh •T•C•E• 16:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

weapons

I am just curious: what weapon types do not effect umbra(npc)? I shot 500 iron arrows into her and probably another 150 steel ones, and she still didn't die. No damage was even done. — Unsigned comment by 70.196.190.221 (talk) at 23:20 on October 22, 2011

The page has all of the information about her. She has no resistance to normal weapons, but as the article states: "She also has her own "Umbra's Restore" ability, which effectively allows her to heal 2 points of health per second. Regardless of your strategy, you should press the attack." She restores health over time, which can effectively cancel out damage from low leveled players with poor equipment and skill. --DKong27 ^{Tk Ctr Em} 04:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

discussion closed?

I tried adding a strategy for a quick and easy Umbra defeat that I haven't seen anywhere else on the web but it was removed and I was sent a message to say that no further updates would be allowed on this topic...

Having guards kill Umbra

A method I wished to share for low-level players that don't want to lower the difficulty : it's actually pretty easy to run back to the Imperial City with Umbra following. Just have the guards do the job for you there, Umbra will try to slaughter them before bothering with you. One advantage of this method is that you can loot said soldiers, they'll probably -certainly, in fact- have casualties. While this method doesn't require as much Agility or practice as most mentionned earlier do, and thus can be done even by starting players (and I know what I'm talking about) here are some relevant pointers :

- you might want to not be burdened by your equipment. Just leave it there or something, you can come back later to loot Umbra's room.

- if you're not confident with your running (well, the girl has some heavy armor on and has her sword drawn, but you're supposedly low-level), it's best that one of your major skills be Alchemy or Restoration, preferably both.

-a conjuring character can give himself a head start by summoning some bait : Umbra will go ballistic on the spot. You can do that from the balcony in the final room. After that, just run, she'll catch up soon enough...

Of course, don't bother with the small fries that might see you while you're swimming across Lake Rumare. You've got a lunatic chasing after you with a cursed sword, for Christ's sake ! Also, if you like the Talos Plaza NPCs, you might want to pull that off at night, or they might decide to join the fray.

I figured that out while I was doing some dungeon crawling back at level 7-8 and didn't know what I was getting my neck into. I ran for my life, saw that she was following and decided to lead her on a merry chase all the way to the City. Being an alchemist helped me a lot.

After all is said and done, that gets you one of the best sword in the game, a full set of orcish-equivalent armor and some imperial guards' equipment for selling, without having to tweak with the settings. Can be faster than methods relying on distance, depending on your skill with the latter and your running speed. — Unsigned comment by 89.157.208.241 (talk) at 21:36 on 27 January 2012

Kill strategies pulled from Umbra's page?

Why exactly? I have been going through a brand new run at max difficulty and although the site lists her gear/sword as guaranteed lvl 1/guaranteed magical items, there's nothing in her article about specfically killing her in ANY type of playthrough. I'm sure we all know many of the tactics used to exploit terrain/poisons etc. by now but NOTHING is listed on her page at all other than "she heals so press the attack?" It just seems a little out of place to have the best centralized source of info on the game omit everything about this. I had to go to youtube to get ideas on how to kill her at level 1 max difficulty without leveling skills out of control and just ended up successfully using both traps (poison and spike pit) to kill her multiple times as proof of concept, then took my Umbra and orcish level armor and moved on, no thanks to this article. All it took was a couple skooma to outpace her long enough to get her to the pit, or a follower to distract her long enough so you can run far enough away to have her give up attaxking (and walk back to her camp, neutral again) so you can talk abuse her in the poison gas until dead. Didn't have to strike her once other than a quick Flare to aggro her. — Unsigned comment by 8.33.16.141 (talk) at 08:32 on 16 July 2017

Due to the vast number of ways you can kill someone we don't see much reason for listing one way over another, as both methods work, and listing all methods is just silly. We also don't see any need to list strategies on the NPC page when there is a quest to kill that person; points to know should be listed there, which is also where the quote you make "she heals so press the attack" comes from. There are also plenty of strategies on the talk pages for both articles, which isn't ideal but does allow the multitude of methods to exist while not flooding the page with generic information that is not actually specific to this one page (ie the methods are useful for all killing). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Morality of Killing Umbra

I always enjoy playing good characters on anything that isn't Destroy All Humans! or GTA V, so I'm curious: Do you all think that killing Umbra is a just decision, evil decision, or neutral? I would personally say it's the right thing to do, and I know that sounds awful out of context, but I'm thinking: because of the nature of the sword, Lenwin's soul is probably either completely devoured or nearly devoured, but just in case there's a tiny part of her in incredible pain over everything that's happened and everything she's done (or she thinks she's done, because of the sword's power), wouldn't it be better to kill her and end her misery rather than spare her and risk her being in more pain or even taking more lives? Also, in the lore, what do you think would happen if Umbra was taken out of someone's possession? Would their soul eventually heal from it, or would they remain in blood lust for the rest of their life? — Unsigned comment by Robsyourhouse (talk • contribs) at 23:03 on 24 January 2019 (UTC)

This sort of discussion is better-suited for our forums. Additionally, it's preferred that you use four tildes or the signature button to sign your posts rather than writing it yourself.--Rook (talk) 01:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

If you want your signature to read "Robin Miki" instead of Robsyourhouse, you can change that in your preferences. It's in the Signature box on the very first tab, User Profile. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 01:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)