Lore talk:Y'ffre

Split

"Precious few have encountered the Beldama Wyresses (another name for a group of ward-sisters, or witches), but those who have speak of dark encampments under the canopy of ancient oak trees and cavorting rituals to honor Jephre, an aspect of Y'ffre, the most venerated god of the Bosmeri deities." - Emperor's Guide to Tamriel

Jephre should have his own page, since the Guide establishes him as a distinct aspect, not a mere synonym for Y'ffre. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 17:52, 30 June 2014 (GMT)

Agreed. The Beldama Wyrd is a witch coven in High Rock, distinct from anything to do with the Valenwood. —Legoless (talk) 17:58, 7 April 2015 (GMT)

Agreed. He is also mentioned as an independent deity in Dawnguard by Knight-Paladin Gelebor, whose people certainly had little connection to the rituals of Valenwood. 98.248.13.80 19:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

As a counterpoint, Alinori Altmer refer to Y'ffre as Jephre, while Auridoni altmer refer to Y'ffre as Y'ffre, yet both clearly worship the same deity.

Omn (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2020 (GMT)

Lets not split this article, I agree with Omn here since the altmer consider them the same being. Simply note that the beldama cult interpret y'ffre and jephre to be different beings, while the altmer believe him to be the same.Zebendal (talk) 21:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

(←) Don't think much consensus has been established for this proposed split, particularly with the new ESO info. I've removed the proposal tag. —⁠Legoless (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Y'ffre Argonian "heresy" status is unknown

"This heresy was ended in 2E 582 when ex-Shadowscale refugees assassinated those responsible for abandoning the Hist." This is not accurate. While it's true Uta-Tei was assassinated, we don't know if the worship in Y'ffre ended - particularly because there are two other argonians in the tribe who still live and worshipped Y'ffre along side Uta-Tei: Pulaya and Teineeja. It's entirely possible that these two do become Spinners to Y'ffre and the tribe is blessed with the ability to procreate beyond the Hist in Grahtwood. Or perhaps not. We don't know.— Unsigned comment by Korrek ar (talk • contribs) at 14:53 on 5 July 2021

I've modified the wording slightly to accommodate this uncertainty. However, the spiritual leader of the group being taken out is more than likely going to result in the beliefs dying out. —⁠Legoless (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)