Lore talk:Summerset Isles

Mainland's geography

First off, I surprise that there is no discussion page on this, one of the provinces. What I'm curious is, is what the geography of the Isle of Summerset is like. What I do know is there is Eton Nir, a mountain near Cloudrest and the Crystal Tower. I imagine that there are small islands surrounding it like Wasten Coridale or Sunhold in that data-mined Summerset questline. I like to think that Eton Nir is filled with gorges that have veins of Sapphires or Rubies and the top of Eton Nir is grasslands. Has there been hints of Summerset's geography, I assume it looks a lot like Auridon except in different biomes, like a mountain one and forest one. --Vincentius1 (talk) 01:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Name Change

I disagree with changing the name to Alinor, as there's only an example in a book calling it that. Over 150 years later in universe (Skyrim), and there are no NPCs/books calling it Alinor, but there are multiple references to Summerset Isle, (Venarus Vulpin's Journal, Summerset Shadows, M'Sharra's Diary.) The ingame description also states: "Also known as "Altmer" in their homeland of Summerset Isle.".

Camilla: "We don't sell any imports from Summerset Isle, do we, Lucan?"

Hadvar: "I'm sorry. We'll make sure your remains are returned to Summerset Isle."

I would support adding (officially called Alinor as of x), as that has what's been done for the case of Turkey on wikipedia.

Imperialbattlespire (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

While Alinor (province) isn't an incorrect name, it's certainly not a term people will come up with when searching for it. In this case I beleive we could use the Ignore all rules rule, as renaming the page, while in line with guidelines does more harm than good to the wiki's clarity and user experience.Tyrvarion (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Should remain Summerset Isles under all circumstances Dcking20 (talk) 18:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I think consistency of common Tamrielic usage has to override political accuracy in this instance. The book even states itself "They renamed the nation Alinor, [...]. Most people outside of the Aldmeri Dominion still call it Summerset Isle, either out of peevishness or ignorance." Alinor (province) would also be inaccurate, as it is unequivocally specifically not a province anymore. Alinor (nation) would probably be the most accurate. We probably want something like:

The Summerset Isles (sometimes spelled Sumurset, Summurset or Sumerset), officially named Alinor since 4E 22, is...

Enodoc (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

(←) I concur with the above, the name change would be less accurate considering actual usage and for searchability purposes. The name should not be changed at this time. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 17:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Enodoc's proposal except for one thing. The article still refers to Summerset as a province in other locations. Is it preferable to keep it as province to match what has been a historical consensus for most of TES, or should we switch to nation? Does province even imply Imperial jurisdiction? I don't know if that is the case, as I'm fairly certain that Attrebus Mede calls Morrowind a province in the Keyes books despite the same books confirming that Morrowind was specifically separate from the Empire. Mindtrait0r (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The article still opens with the following "The Summerset Isles (sometimes spelled Sumurset, Summurset or Sumerset) is a province in southwest Tamriel"...did you notice it still doesnt say "officially named Alinor since 4E 22", I believe that part needs to be added. I would like to point out that other lore articles for the other provinces open with their multiple other names:

"Black Marsh is a dense swampland region of southeastern Tamriel, home to the reptilian humanoid race of Argonians and a race of sapient trees known as the Hist. Mer refer to the region as Argonia."

"Cyrodiil, also known as the Imperial Province, Dragon Empire, Starry Heart of Nirn, and Seat of Sundered Kings, and Cyrod in Ayleidoon"

"Hammerfell, once known as Hegathe, the Deathland (or Deathlands), and Volenfell, is a province and republic"

"Morrowind, previously named Dwemereth, Veloth, Resdayn, Resdaynia, and Dunmereth"

"Skyrim, the northernmost province of Tamriel, is a cold and mountainous region also known as the Old Kingdom, Mereth, or the Fatherland, or Keizaal in the dragon tongue."

I believe the name Alinor should be mentioned in the opening bolded right next to the other names. --KevinM^(talk) 01:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, never did add that. Changed to the agreed phrasing. Although right now I don't actually remember whether it was the whole province or specifically the largest island which they renamed Alinor... --Enodoc (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Also if you could check your signature and the stuff you've copied and fix the broken formatting, that would be ideal... --E

There I fixed it --KevinM^(talk) 01:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Enodoc's message looks much better now! 😊 While we're on the topic, if you want, you can shorten the "KevinM" part by combining the stuff that's formatted the same and using some of the wiki's built-in templates. That would look like this: KevinM. If you later decide to you want to change the colours, you can just alter, add, or remove FC templates as needed. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 14:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)