Lore talk:Sailen Vulgate

Salienmora Conflation

Proposal to re-write the page to clarify that Sailenmora is likely a reference, rather than imply they're definitely the same place

While "Sailenmora" and "Sailen/Salen Vulgate" are similar names, there isn't any concrete evidence that I am aware of that they are the same city. It's safe to assume that ESO was referencing the Arena name, but its location on the map is pretty different, as is the nature of the two locations, so it does *not* feel safe to definitively proclaim that they're definitely the same city like the article does. Lady Nerevar (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

While I agree that there is an assumption being made. I think its a fair one for the wiki to make. I think the vaguely close regional position and name are enough to assume they're the same considering how often Arena locations have moved or slightly re-named. I also recall similar assumptions being made with other articles so it seems to be a general consensus with such instances. However I do not actually know if this trend has actually been discussed on the wiki. In any event, I think the assertion the settlements are the same should stay on the page. Though I think atleast a Note should be added to explain the discrepancy.Tarponpet (talk) 00:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I have to agree with Lady N, i don't see literally any reason for these two to be in the same lorepage, it seems like blatant original research.CoolBlast3 (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It is quite clear that they are the same location based on the context. The other town of Alavelis in the zone is also based off a town from the Arena/Concept map. There is also no other location in the TES series with the name "Sailen" in it besides Sailenmora and Sailen Vulgate. The precise locations are rarely ever the exact same but that doesn't stop them from being the same as that's mostly changed to better suit the new game's area. This town is in the same scenario as many other returning locations from Arena, such as Silver Wood become Sil-Var-Woad, where it shows up as a town in Arena (as the only two types of locations you could have in Arena were settlements and dungeons) but re-appears as a different type of location in a new game (ie. a zoo for Silver Wood, or in this page's case, a temple).

Is what you're proposing to rewrite the page to say that Sailenmora began as a holy site in the Second Era, but by the Third Era a town called Sailen Vulgate had formed around it/at the same site? If so then yes, we could rewrite it to make that much clearer. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Given the changes between maps between oldest TES game and youngest TES game it's still more or less the same location. Sailen Vulgate is the closest town southwest of Necrom and so is Sailenmora in ESO. Their location is nearly identical.Tyrvarion (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I like the precedent of Lore:Thorstad Place where we have a potential alternate name and a note explaining the similar locations. On Lore:Kynesgrove, where we do list Dragonwood as a actual alt name, there is an additional piece of evidence to support the conclusion (the Dragonwood Arena). Mindtrait0r (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)