Lore talk:Jorunn the Skald-King (book)

Updated Book

This edit claims that the in-game book is different from the one we were given pre-release. Should we note the change? Maybe make a separate page at Lore:Jorunn the Skald-King (old)? —Legoless (talk) 23:28, 5 February 2015 (GMT)

It's true, I remember well that it once was "the Greybeards summoned a hero from Sovngarde" and now I've seen the thu'um thing in the in-game lore library. I think we can put the old sentence into a note above the text, can't we? --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 01:27, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

That seems like a very messy solution to me. Was the in-game text actually changed? I think a separate page is even more appropriate then. —Legoless (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

I can't tell if it was changed in-game unless we have an old version of the text file somewhere. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 01:34, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

There was definitely a change. All the relevant sites corroborated the previous version of the text we had, and now they seem to be revising for the new version. Found a screenshot. I definitely think the revision is worth mentioning. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 01:51, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

I have both a screenshot and an old version of the text file somewhere on my harddrive if you want me to dig them up... Jeancey (talk) 02:16, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

I created a page for the old version here. I wonder if ZOS have been patching any other books without telling us. —Legoless (talk) 02:21, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

I'm sure they have. They told me they might fix typos in ESO-only books and notes, and that our sic tags might be directing them to said typos. Jeancey (talk) 02:28, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

Fildgor

It's interesting that this book claims that Jorunn was miraculously assisted by Wulfharth the Ash-King and makes no mention of the participation of his twin-brother Fildgor in driving out the Akaviri invaders, whereas The Brothers' War makes no mention of Wulfharth the Ash-King, but stresses the importance of Fildgor's efforts to jointly drive out the Akaviri invaders. Perhaps this discrepancy is evidence that the Jorunn the Skald-King biography attempted to rewrite history in a way more favourable to Jorunn's glory, and to diminish - no, erase - the contributions of Fildgor in order to undermine the latter's claims to the kingship? Multiple sources, including dialogues with Thane Mera Stormcloack and Jorunn himself acknowledging Fildgor's contributions in countering the Akaviri invasion, indicate that the account of The Brothers' War (an anonymous work that doesn't seem to have a strong bias either way) is more accurate than the Jorunn the Skald-King biography (a pro-Jorunn writing, perhaps an official history commissioned by Jorunn himself? It's not known whether author 'Helgreir Lute-Voice, Bard of Windhelm' was employed by Jorunn) when it comes to historical facts. SkyrimScholar (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The Stormfist Clan by Thora Far-Wanderer is a more pro-Fildgor source that explicitly states Fildgor's Stormfirst Brigade was part of the combined proto-Ebonheart forces that defeated the Akaviri invaders, implying that Fildgor was present at Vivec's Antlers, and claiming its contribution was 'instrumental' (though this may be pro-Fildgor propaganda), while not mentioning 'Wulfharth the Ash-King' either. This is another indication that the historical reliability of the Jorunn the Skald-King biography is questionable. SkyrimScholar (talk) 14:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Then again, The Second Akaviri Invasion, a reconstruction by the historian Yngmaer Raven-Quill of Western Skyrim written 'a dozen years' later, does not mention Fildgor or the Stormfists. It shows some skepticism whether the warrior accompanying Jorunn was really Wulfharth the Ash-King, noting that he 'briefly disappeared' and started 'calling himself King Jorunn' when he reappeared; the latter is of course a challenge to the monarch of Western Skyrim, who is only identified as 'Your Majesty' by Yngmaer (so whether this is Svargrim or someone else is unknown). This source has a reason to be anti-Jorunn (in fact, it is softly anti-Ebonheart Pact in general), but does not mention Fildgor, which is strange. Either Yngmaer is unaware of Fildgor's claims to the kingship in Eastern Skyrim and by extension all of Skyrim (and could thus be a threat to Western Skyrim, or a convenient ally against Jorunn), or regards them as unimportant. Still more curious is it that Yngmaer reports that Jorunn claimed the kingship before fortifying Riften, while all other sources - except the Jorunn the Skald-King biography - seem to state that Fildgor was the first to claim the kingship, and only did so after the Battle of Vivec's Antlers, during which Jorunn was still the 'Skald-Prince'. SkyrimScholar (talk) 19:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)